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A water carrying device which allowed us to collect water and bring it to our village and fill a depression in the ground or a purpose built well. The water would be used over time so there would still be a need to trek to the supply but less often.
Also leads into fishermen being able to bring back live specimens to keep in their village dam.
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I don't like the idea of wells. It's just a free water supply making the thirst system become useless.
trenixdecease wrote:
how is it useless if you have to keep bringing back water to fill the hole? Also you can trench from the water anyway into your city and create a pond to have an unlimited amount of water and fish as it is right now.Quote:
I don't like the idea of wells. It's just a free water supply making the thirst system become useless.
KeithStone wrote:
If you have to keep refilling it, I guess it could work. However, wells after an apocalypse doesn't seem to make sense. Also, trenches take awhile to make as you should already know that by now. You've also seen that they don't even look nice being that they will be too deep to be at reach inside of a town/tribe.Quote:
how is it useless if you have to keep bringing back water to fill the hole? Also you can trench from the water anyway into your city and create a pond to have an unlimited amount of water and fish as it is right now.
Most wells in modern times feature pumps. While an old fashion well would work fine, these pumps would not. That said, I'd love to be able to build old style wells and have a groundwater system in game.
trenixdecease wrote:
This game isn't based on a nuclear or biological apocalypse steming from a virus, prion, bacterium, or toxin. It's, from my understanding, supposed to be a supernatural apocalypse, like with demons and stuff.Quote:
KeithStone wrote:
If you have to keep refilling it, I guess it could work. However, wells after an apocalypse doesn't seem to make sense. Also, trenches take awhile to make as you should already know that by now. You've also seen that they don't even look nice being that they will be too deep to be at reach inside of a town/tribe.Quote:
how is it useless if you have to keep bringing back water to fill the hole? Also you can trench from the water anyway into your city and create a pond to have an unlimited amount of water and fish as it is right now.
mrcalhou wrote:
What's your point? You only proved that there is no reason to have water purified from a well.Quote:
trenixdecease wrote:
This game isn't based on a nuclear or biological apocalypse steming from a virus, prion, bacterium, or toxin. It's, from my understanding, supposed to be a supernatural apocalypse, like with demons and stuff.Quote:
KeithStone wrote:
If you have to keep refilling it, I guess it could work. However, wells after an apocalypse doesn't seem to make sense. Also, trenches take awhile to make as you should already know that by now. You've also seen that they don't even look nice being that they will be too deep to be at reach inside of a town/tribe.Quote:
how is it useless if you have to keep bringing back water to fill the hole? Also you can trench from the water anyway into your city and create a pond to have an unlimited amount of water and fish as it is right now.
trenixdecease wrote:
Why ?Quote:
However, wells after an apocalypse doesn't seem to make sense.
trenixdecease wrote:
Umm...What? Wells don't "purify" water. Wells tap into a naturally occuring source of water that is already in the ground. In many cases that water isn't pure at all. In some places in India skeletal fluorosis is endemic because the only water that is availible is heavily flouridated. Putting the water into a well wouldn't reduce the concentration of flouride ions that are present in the water unless the well also contained something that would react with the flouride and form an insoluble salt that would precipate out and settle on the bottom.Quote:
mrcalhou wrote:
What's your point? You only proved that there is no reason to have water purified from a well.Quote:
trenixdecease wrote:
This game isn't based on a nuclear or biological apocalypse steming from a virus, prion, bacterium, or toxin. It's, from my understanding, supposed to be a supernatural apocalypse, like with demons and stuff.Quote:
KeithStone wrote:
If you have to keep refilling it, I guess it could work. However, wells after an apocalypse doesn't seem to make sense. Also, trenches take awhile to make as you should already know that by now. You've also seen that they don't even look nice being that they will be too deep to be at reach inside of a town/tribe.Quote:
how is it useless if you have to keep bringing back water to fill the hole? Also you can trench from the water anyway into your city and create a pond to have an unlimited amount of water and fish as it is right now.
Sometimes if the water is deposited or passes through a layer of soil that is very fine then that may filter some things out. Passing water through sand and activated charcoal would do a good deal to purify water, but people in the middle of nowhere don't dig wells to put water in, they dig wells to reach groundwater so they don't die of dehydration or so they can then use that water for irrigation.
The fact you can't terraform off your tribe's land means you may not be able to make a canal all the way from your village to the water. Considering we are using items like plastic and aluminum in the game I think we can make allowances for centuries older tech like a water table well.
Jadzia wrote:
Just to me, after a disaster, I wouldn't think about making a well. Maybe the idea of using plastic containers would be fine, but a well is just too strange.Quote:
trenixdecease wrote:
Why ?Quote:
However, wells after an apocalypse doesn't seem to make sense.
/facepalm
Ok... if you are going to fill a so-called 'well' with water brought from a river, wouldn't you call that a cistern instead?
A cistern would be much more appropriate than a well, in this setting, as you could use it to collect rain-water or be filled by buckets of water brought from a nearby river.
Until mining is released, a groundwater well would just seem odd (in light of the groundwater level argument). However, a cistern would be not only understandable, but acceptable as well because it can be a completely above-ground building that would merely hold water that could be brought in from a remote source.
The availability of a cistern would also allow tribes to have their lands far from any constant water source (which is quite possible, since I've scouted enough areas to know that there are great places to settle, if only there was a source of water).
For more information on the history of the cistern and reasons why it would be best applied to Xsyon, instead of a well, see the following Wikipedia entry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cistern
If you took the time to read my 'essay' and agree with my idea, please PM me about it. Thank you for your time.
Its just a good old fashioned water tank! And its a good idea, it should be implemented. It could be made of tin sheets and rivets perhaps, to seal it up tight.
Wells are a great idea too, but as mentioned, mining should be implemented prior to drilling for natural water springs.
Kinslayer wrote:
Agreed Even an old fashion barrel would be fine. Just have to fill it up by buckets.Quote:
Its just a good old fashioned water tank! And its a good idea, it should be implemented. It could be made of tin sheets and rivets perhaps, to seal it up tight.
Wells are a great idea too, but as mentioned, mining should be implemented prior to drilling for natural water springs.
Darenkel wrote:
Now this is what I like, it's a creative idea that could definitely fit into the setting. I accept this suggestion over a well.Quote:
Ok... if you are going to fill a so-called 'well' with water brought from a river, wouldn't you call that a cistern instead?
A cistern would be much more appropriate than a well, in this setting, as you could use it to collect rain-water or be filled by buckets of water brought from a nearby river.
Until mining is released, a groundwater well would just seem odd (in light of the groundwater level argument). However, a cistern would be not only understandable, but acceptable as well because it can be a completely above-ground building that would merely hold water that could be brought in from a remote source.
The availability of a cistern would also allow tribes to have their lands far from any constant water source (which is quite possible, since I've scouted enough areas to know that there are great places to settle, if only there was a source of water).
For more information on the history of the cistern and reasons why it would be best applied to Xsyon, instead of a well, see the following Wikipedia entry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cistern
If you took the time to read my 'essay' and agree with my idea, please PM me about it. Thank you for your time.
Ok, we are talking about digging a hole until it fills with water and then bricking the interior of that hole to prevent it from collapse. Not a lot of tech involved unless you are way up in the mountains. On granite it would be hard to dig a well but that is what mountain streams and rivers are for.
As for the whole apocalypse thing... who gives a sh.. if the water in the lake is potable so is the water table. well water is one of the most pure sources of water available without treatment(as long as you are not digging it from a dump) and should not even be an issue.
As for sources to fill a Well or Cistern, Water table and Aqueducts. Not a lot of thought involved there. There is also the good old Rain barrel. Only an idiot would have a hard time with that problem.
All that scrap metal and you don't think we could piece together an aqueduct?
Any other arguments that are based on a trolls ignorance?
If you don't know something about a subject, just post a thumbs down if you don't agree or dislike the idea.
Oops, forgot to heed my own advise a bit there.
+1 Wells, great idea.
-1 Dams, you can already make dams.
Tybalt wrote:
Dam right... and Well, that wasn't deep at all, :PQuote:
Oops, forgot to heed my own advise a bit there.
+1 Wells, great idea.
-1 Dams, you can already make dams.
Come and visit Shinra. U will see that we are already have a well inside our tribe area. You ppl are slow.
:woohoo: Are you serious? You do remember that we live around a lake right?Quote:
prokop15 wrote:I like that.Quote:
Darenkel wrote:
Dam right... and Well, that wasn't deep at all,Quote:
Tybalt wrote:
Oops, forgot to heed my own advise a bit there.
+1 Wells, great idea.
-1 Dams, you can already make dams.
My 2 cents? It would be way too carebear to have wells. Make water a scarce resource that can be fought over. Might give some purpose to the game.
Water is never going to be a rare resource with the many rivers that snake through the lands.
Sounds like you should be playing FNV. (I'm just sayin) :huh:
prokop15 wrote:
the game is centered on a fucking lake.Quote:
Darenkel wrote:
I like that.Quote:
Tybalt wrote:
Dam right... and Well, that wasn't deep at all, :PQuote:
Oops, forgot to heed my own advise a bit there.
+1 Wells, great idea.
-1 Dams, you can already make dams.
My 2 cents? It would be way too carebear to have wells. Make water a scarce resource that can be fought over. Might give some purpose to the game.
joexxxz wrote:
no one cares for shinraQuote:
Come and visit Shinra. U will see that we are already have a well inside our tribe area. You ppl are slow.
anyways wells and things to carry water, waterskins, would be a great addition to the game. thirst shouldn't be such a limiting factor in the game.
If that were the case might as well do the same with food and not be able to carry it around or farm it in the future.
Xx1327 wrote:
Agreed, leatherworking could actually be something more than just an armor craft.Quote:
anyways wells and things to carry water, waterskins, would be a great addition to the game. thirst shouldn't be such a limiting factor in the game.
trenixdecease wrote:
this!Quote:
Xx1327 wrote:
Agreed, leatherworking could actually be something more than just an armor craft.Quote:
anyways wells and things to carry water, waterskins, would be a great addition to the game. thirst shouldn't be such a limiting factor in the game.
Xx1327 wrote:
Can you even make pouches and backpacks with leatherworking or is that only for basketry?Quote:
trenixdecease wrote:
this!Quote:
Xx1327 wrote:
Agreed, leatherworking could actually be something more than just an armor craft.Quote:
anyways wells and things to carry water, waterskins, would be a great addition to the game. thirst shouldn't be such a limiting factor in the game.
trenixdecease wrote:
to be honest i dont know, i havent been playing enough recently to.Quote:
Xx1327 wrote:
Can you even make pouches and backpacks with leatherworking or is that only for basketry?Quote:
trenixdecease wrote:
this!Quote:
Xx1327 wrote:
Agreed, leatherworking could actually be something more than just an armor craft.Quote:
anyways wells and things to carry water, waterskins, would be a great addition to the game. thirst shouldn't be such a limiting factor in the game.
For now, Basketry only... until they release new patterns...
Darenkel wrote:
That's corny, they need to remove basketry.Quote:
For now, Basketry only... until they release new patterns...
trenixdecease wrote:
you have to realize were still in the developmental stages of the game nothing is totally complete.Quote:
Darenkel wrote:
That's corny, they need to remove basketry.Quote:
For now, Basketry only... until they release new patterns...
prokop15 wrote:
No kidding... Basketry would be the best overall craft, if only they would add in the 'Blade of Grass', weapon!Quote:
Xx1327 wrote:
What? Do you think Basketry is some sort of interim skill?Quote:
trenixdecease wrote:
you have to realize were still in the developmental stages of the game nothing is totally complete.Quote:
Darenkel wrote:
That's corny, they need to remove basketry.Quote:
For now, Basketry only... until they release new patterns...
in reply to OP, I think lyster bags would be good idea for base camps.
http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/7271/lysterbag.png
Great discussion on this topic, be nice to get a thought from Xsyon on this.
For those who were fussed about the protection of water.. perhaps some kind of drainage system come pipeline that needed to be protected. Dunno, I just like the idea of being able to locate water since its not that intrinsic to the gameplay other than the thirst factor and food is pretty much everywhere.
And eventually we may learn to utilise it as a source of turning machinery etc. Very long term but the possibilites are there.
