What is xsyon?

[jokhul]

Actually was responding to jokhul, but the shoe also fits Jad just fine. I'm not sure why I even respond to such idiotic comments. And hey, look! The next post down has Book accusing me of "ethnocentrism", thus clearly demonstrating he doesn't even know what that word means, much less how to use it correctly. It sure had a lot of syllables and SOUNDED intelligent, though!

So, your response to my summary of facts from the feature page is a one-line insult ?

How about another try ? Why would YOU say that only 10% of the Feature page is devoted to Combat features, and has no reference to FFA-PVP ?

Surely, if the game is FFA-PVP focused, we could expect some heavy punting of that side of the game in the Features List ?

[Soulwanderer]

So, your response to my summary of facts from the feature page is a one-line insult ?

How about another try ? Why would YOU say that only 10% of the Feature page is devoted to Combat features, and has no reference to FFA-PVP ?

Surely, if the game is FFA-PVP focused, we could expect some heavy punting of that side of the game in the Features List ?

I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make here... the game clearly HAS FFA-Full Loot-PvP. Crafting items are clearly geared toward combat. Resources are clearly needed to craft. As tribal areas are safe zones, resource piles are clearly the primary area where players will fight. PvP is clearly a large part of the game. Why are you babbling about percentages of words?

[Jadzia]

He didn't say anything. You constantly interpret and spout nonsensical drivel about how the game will pan out.

Regarding the future of safe zones and conquest as brought about by the discussion of War and Peace servers:

What I imagine is:
- Tribes choosing to become warring on non-warring, not as an on / off switch but as a permanent or difficult to reverse decision, likely based on tribal actions.
- Warring tribes would be able to conquer and raid others, but they will also become susceptible to war. Non warring tribes would keep their area safe, but don’t gain the ability to raid or conquer other tribes.
- Both warring and non-warring tribes could claim resources that would be up for contest by both types of tribes.
- Some expansion zones being open to more conquest without safe zones, while in others tribes would retain the choice to war or not.

As always, Xsyon will evolve with its community to provide balance and choices. What exactly game will become 6-9 months from now will depend on how players drive the world.

http://www.xsyon.com/forum/showthrea...ve/page21/#205

[Sirius]

So, your response to my summary of facts from the feature page is a one-line insult ?

How about another try ? Why would YOU say that only 10% of the Feature page is devoted to Combat features, and has no reference to FFA-PVP ?

Surely, if the game is FFA-PVP focused, we could expect some heavy punting of that side of the game in the Features List ?

Hi, a "summary of facts" from the feature page is only useful if the "facts" are somehow relevant.

Here are some "facts" for you. The U.S. Constitution does not include the words "separation of Church and state", nor does it say "it shall be unconstitutional and unlawful to deny African-Americans the right to attend public school, or to use public highways, or to be served in privately-owned restaurants, hotels, movie theaters, or other places where the public routinely gathers". But guess what? The Constitution says those things, even if it doesn't take the trouble to make a convenient soundbite and embroider it on a little pillow for you.

Nor does the fact that the words "freedom of speech" make up less than 0.01% of the total words in the Constitution mean that those words are not incredibly important.

In short, you picked out a few utterly meaningless statistics that do nothing to advance your argument or detract from mine. Get yourself an education.



JADZIA: I'm confused, how does a post by Jordi talking about tribal warfare, tribal raiding, and tribal conquest support your firm position that the game is not supposed to have PVP, let alone tribal warfare?? RIDDLE ME THAT PLZ KTHX

[Dubanka]

OK...found it...twas my 'GO TO WAR' speech for when the two server thing was going on...my premise was, it was how the game was designed, and meant to be played. For your reading pleasure

This is a post to lobby for players to play on War.
If you're already of this mindset, please help me out with anything i missed.
If you're on the fence about which server to play on, please read on to help make an informed decision.
If your feet are firmly planted on Peace soil, please take a gander so you can understand what you're missing.

Will you fight for justice to stop the chaos or will you join in the ranks of evil to bring upon the ultimate destruction of the earth?

First paragraph of the game description. Good versus evil. Fight for the right to control a post apocolyptic future of the planet. The very premise of this game is conflict. Embrace it. Conflict gives the PLAYER the ability to ENFORCE peace, or to INCITE chaos. There is is no conflict when there are rules to control it. The game's concept was to be a wide open, choose your destiny, choose the fate of the world game. Sometimes others wont agree with your vision. The question is, do you want to be able to do something about it without their express permission and approval?

The new world hangs in a moment of uncertainty. Though the rift in reality has called forth many benevolent gods and creatures, this truly is the time of the Apocalypse. The seven seals are about to be broken. The Four Horsemen loom over the land awaiting their chance to spread destruction and chaos. Devils and angels vie for control of their earthly battlefield.

Pick a side. Fight for your beliefs. Bring allies to your aid. Lay waste to those who would oppose you. See your world vision brought to life. Without the freedom to act of your own accord, at your own whim and according to your own vision, you will not be able to play out this battle.

Your path is one of choice. Will your actions help heal the planet or will you play a part in its ultimate doom? What will be the destiny of the Xsyon, the promised land?

Or will yo sit back behind your invulnerable walls, in your invulnerable tribe lamenting the fact that your neighbors are taking more than their agreed upon share of resources in the area...You'd like to be able to do something about it, they are jerks most of the time, but alas, they are not agreeable to a battle so..well the campfire sure is perty.

What is Prelude?

Prelude is the first chapter of Xsyon. It is a time of discovery, building, and exploration and will continue through summer as the game evolves to include more content and features.

The MOST glaring lack of content in the game is the lack of pvp mechanics. Will you be on the server that allows for it to be discovered, and explored to it's maximum potential? Or will you habitate a land where it is deemed an afterthought, an unnecessary marketing ploy to attract the more base game players? Player vs player, and guild vs. guild combat is the pinnacle of internet gameplay. Your opponents are real. Their tactics evolve to match and counter your own. They will seek to expose your every weakness so you must use every tool the game provides to ensure you do not yield or faulter. You must be constantly vigilant for you do not know when a hated enemy will choose to strike or a trusted friend deems you expendable and turns on you when yu are most vulnerable. Discover, Explore, Build. You will need every advantage you can find, because you do not know what your rival may bring to the party.
Or, you can just choose to play where you don't have to forced into any action that you'd choose not to engage in.

What type of combat system does Xsyon have?

Combat is twitch based with manual defense with left and right attacks and defense moves (dodging and parrying / blocking). Attack is both targeted and area based to specifically attack the highlighted target and part but also hit any secondary targets within weapon range.

Combat mechanics are currently horrible. Broken even. Not nearly to the level that a pvp community would expect in a game focused on pvp. I don't think it's meant to be this way. Be where you can make a real impact improving these mechanics so that this game becomes something we can recommend to our friends.
Current situation: Suck.
Future: Lets help them make it right.
Or you can choose to play on the server where pvp its viewed as an irritant.

Will there be PvP?

Yes, the game is open PVP with consequences and a sparring / training combat mode. In the early Prelude towns will be safe zones

Open PvP. PvP with consequence. There is no consequence if you can choose to avoid it. Play the game, not a sim.

Summary:
If there is going to be a ghost town, let it be the server where they really only care about playing with themselves and peacfully coexisting with their friends.

Let them experience the thrill of consensual pvp. Let them experience the agony of not really losing something because, well that wasn't in the war agreement. Let them fight heated political battles about why their tribe wont accept a war from another tribe.
If this if what you're after, please play THERE.

If you want to play where every moment is a potentially life or death. Where every seemingly meaningless death could be the straw that pushes nations and alliances into full fledged war. Where your efforts in crafting and city building have real meaning because they will be used and tested under the harshest of conditions. Where political slights and desires outside of the game have real impact on the course of events inside of it. Where you can truly fight for chaos or order. This is server where crafters, logisticians, strategists and tacticians will be fully engaged and able to prove their value to the highest degree. This is the server where LEADERS will emerge to bring war, or peace to the world.

If you truly want to play the game.

Play War.
/cue soundtrack

[jokhul]

I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make here... the game clearly HAS FFA-Full Loot-PvP. Crafting items are clearly geared toward combat. Resources are clearly needed to craft. As tribal areas are safe zones, resource piles are clearly the primary area where players will fight. PvP is clearly a large part of the game. Why are you babbling about percentages of words?

The OP asked "What is Xsyon ?", and many posters attempted to define it as a FFA-PVP focused game.

By looking at the emphasis of the planned Features, I attempted to answer that question. That analysis showed that at least according to the planned shape of the game, PVP is a very small feature, and hardly gets a mention at all. All of the references to "Combat" could just as easily apply to PVE fights, in fact. The game datafiles even list "Zombie Armour" as ingame items.

So, using the Feature List as a support for an argument painting Xsyon as a FFA-PVP focused game is a very weak support. There are other good reasons to promote that vision, but the "Planned Feature List" certainly is not one of them.

[Sirius]

The feature list was only being discussed in the first place because Jadzia has the nerve to sit there and claim it doesn't indicate that PVP and tribal war are supposed to be part of the game... as part of her campaign to blame all of Xsyon's problems on the players who bought it after being misled by the feature page.

Nobody is trying to say the features page represents the comprehensive, final discussion of Xsyon's gameplay vision. But it is the ADVERTISED ONE that players based purchase decisions off of.

[jokhul]

Hi, a "summary of facts" from the feature page is only useful if the "facts" are somehow relevant.

Here are some "facts" for you. The U.S. Constitution does not include the words "separation of Church and state", nor does it say "it shall be unconstitutional and unlawful to deny African-Americans the right to attend public school, or to use public highways, or to be served in privately-owned restaurants, hotels, movie theaters, or other places where the public routinely gathers". But guess what? The Constitution says those things, even if it doesn't take the trouble to make a convenient soundbite and embroider it on a little pillow for you.

Nor does the fact that the words "freedom of speech" make up less than 0.01% of the total words in the Constitution mean that those words are not incredibly important.

In short, you picked out a few utterly meaningless statistics that do nothing to advance your argument or detract from mine. Get yourself an education.



JADZIA: I'm confused, how does a post by Jordi talking about tribal warfare, tribal raiding, and tribal conquest support your firm position that the game is not supposed to have PVP, let alone tribal warfare?? RIDDLE ME THAT PLZ KTHX

Good try, but irrelevant, lol

You want to compare the wording of the Constitution to the "Planned Feature List" of Xsyon, both in content and purpose ? Jordi will be flattered

The Constitution does not deal with legal interpretation, the courts do that. And there you will find the long-winded interpretations of what the broad statements in the Constitution do and do not mean.

You continue to insist that your slanted "interpretation" of the clearly defined Features is actually the correct one ?

Remember, we're trying to determine what the FOCUS of the game is, not what you want it to be.

The passing mention of Combat, Weapons and Armour does not automatically imply that it is a FFA-PVP focused game. All themepark MMO's have those features too.

[Jadzia]

The feature list was only being discussed in the first place because Jadzia has the nerve to sit there and claim it doesn't indicate that PVP and tribal war are supposed to be part of the game... as part of her campaign to blame all of Xsyon's problems on the players who bought it after being misled by the feature page.

Nobody is trying to say the features page represents the comprehensive, final discussion of Xsyon's gameplay vision. But it is the ADVERTISED ONE that players based purchase decisions off of.

Sirius, you may find hints for PvP on the feature page. Its not clearly states it, but there are points which can be meant like that. But NOTHING points to tribal warfare, only you read it that way.

Nobody is trying to say the features page represents the comprehensive, final discussion of Xsyon's gameplay vision. But it is the ADVERTISED ONE that players based purchase decisions off of.

I agree with this. Thats why its important to notice that the fature page doesn't advertise PvP and tribal warfare. And its not only me, everyone who can read and not that biased as you are see that.

JADZIA: I'm confused, how does a post by Jordi talking about tribal warfare, tribal raiding, and tribal conquest support your firm position that the game is not supposed to have PVP, let alone tribal warfare?? RIDDLE ME THAT PLZ KTHX

Come on, you can do better than that. I've never said the game is not supposed to have tribal warfare after Prelude, I said tribal warfare is not mentioned on the feature page and its not supposed to be in during Prelude.

[Sirius]

The feature page also does not contain the exact words "This is a PVE game".

Thus, by your logic, since there is no such thing as implication and inference (a.k.a. common sense), it's not a PVE game.

The feature list also does not explicitly mention bears, so there are no bears.

When I go to the gas station, and the sign says $3.50 for Regular Unleaded, that means I get to fill my whole tank for $3.50, because the sign didn't explicitly say "NOTE: ALL POSTED PRICES ARE PER-GALLON".

That's exactly how much sense you kids are making.