Magic but no guns?

[REVKhA]

Magic but no guns?

That's a huge disappointment, considering with got teased with the concept art, some of us joined for that exact reason.

No plans for guns = no hope for me. Have fun guys... signing out.

[KeithStone]

REVKhA wrote:

Magic but no guns?

That's a huge disappointment, considering with got teased with the concept art, some of us joined for that exact reason.

No plans for guns = no hope for me. Have fun guys... signing out.

I have to say that I agree with you.

however, this is in the 2nd paragraph on the main site that explains why it is this way.


Modern technology has consumed itself. War has ravaged the planet, opening a rift to another reality. The survivors of the grisly destruction rise from the ashes of ruin to encounter a world that has changed. A world that once existed only in the realm of mythology, legend and imagination has become concrete and very real. You have forgotten the past and are welcomed by a new primitive future.


imo they should remove any concept art from the website that's going make people think this game is something that it's not. Putting up artwork that shows a modern weapon is kind of misleading.

[VeryWiiTee]

You honestly expected guns in a world where all technology has succumbed?!
- Technology, my 'friend', is also how to make the components. If all technology is destroyed all knowledge is destroyed. If all knowledge is destroyed then you cannot make the components until you have evolved so far that it is theoretically possible you know the secret behind gunmaking.

You don't build a gun, until you know the advanced knowledge of ballistic, you don't know the advanced knowledge of ballistics until you know the basics of ballistics, you don't know the basics of ballistics until you've thrown a spear or fired a bow.
- Magic, however, regardless of its existence in the real world has 'existed' as long as man has built societies. Soothsayers, Witches, Clerics, Priests, holy men you name it. Most of the magic professions have been there (in some form) from the beginning man thought "what is the meaning of life" and it is still going strong in todays society. So a game without guns for now seems reasonable, a game without 'magic' seems to be less reasonable.

However, all that said, yes, concept art depicting guns are probably a bad idea.

But good, leave and don't come back, less whiners moar fun :). It ain't a threat, more a relief I should think and if you -really- only joined because of guns I suggest you play a MODERN FPS they got guns.. (Omg!)
- Next time at least bother to read a bit and have a good amount of realization and you might avoid annoyances like that information.

(Still laughing, a world without guns but with MAGIC!!! Yeah doh, the real world collided with the World (realm) of ideas/Gods/Mythology etc. Magic is to be expected. Technology was destroyed ie. guns and the knowledge of guns were destroyed).

[VeryWiiTee]

REVKhA wrote:

Magic but no guns?

That's a huge disappointment, considering with got teased with the concept art, some of us joined for that exact reason.

No plans for guns = no hope for me. Have fun guys... signing out.

Concept Art is by the way just that. A concept, an idea. Cool looking pictures of what you might see in-game but not necessarily something that will make it into the game.

Concept. Idea.. Thinking constructive. Think outside of the box and ffs don't get your hopes up, you'll just get disappointed.

[REVKhA]

all technology has succumbed... but there's a fucking satellite dish at the bottom of totems.

[Derek]

Why would you need guns if you can shoot fireballs out of your arse?

[REVKhA]

Derek wrote:

Why would you need guns if you can shoot fireballs out of your arse?

It's called diversity of content

[aliksteel]

REVKhA wrote:

No plans for guns = no hope for me. Have fun guys... signing out.

Sorry to hear you are leaving the game REVkha.

I was sad to hear that there will not be junk automobiles in game, But I'm not asking for the art work to be pulled.
http://www.xsyon.com/components/com_joomgallery/img_originals/screenshots_1/mmorpg_xsyon_038_20100216_1643991150.jpg

It was the feature list that made me want to play the game, Not the art.

[KeithStone]

you guys can say whatever you want, or try to act as cool about it as you want.

If you put guns in the artwork of the game you are going to make people think that there are going to be guns in the game.

how can you argue that?

I read the feature list as well, but even virtus made a post talking about how guns would be rare in this game- he's an employee!

QUOTE FROM VIRTUS


They will be very rare to find so don't expect everyone to have one and if your worried about getting shot while you use a spear don't forget ammo will be very limited.

if you don't want more people being dissapointed about something not being in the game then remove the misleading information.

it's misleading no matter how you put it.

[aliksteel]

Misleading?
So every thing that is in concept art should be in game?
Come on, I know you want guns in the game, But pointing to this one concept art is not the best way to try and get what you want.
And I really don't think you are missing the meaning of the word "Concept", And thats all this was.

[KeithStone]

aliksteel wrote:

Misleading?
So every thing that is in concept art should be in game?
Come on, I know you want guns in the game, But pointing to this one concept art is not the best way to try and get what you want.
And I really don't think you are missing the meaning of the word "Concept", And thats all this was.

now you are misleading yourself.

I never said i was trying to get guns added to the game.

My only argument is that it's misleading by having artwork that depects how the game will be with guns in the artwork. Concept or not, if you show guns people are only naturally going to think there are guns in this game.

also,

Virtus made a comment that I quoted in my last post that led me to also beelive that guns would be in the game. - he's an employee!

In the long run it would be better to take out artwork that is misleading like the one with the chick holding the gun.

[Jadzia]

My only argument is that it's misleading by having artwork that depects how the game will be with guns in the artwork. Concept or not, if you show guns people are only naturally going to think there are guns in this game.

also,

Virtus made a comment that I quoted in my last post that led me to also beelive that guns would be in the game. - he's an employee!

In the long run it would be better to take out artwork that is misleading like the one with the chick holding the gun.
I agree, the misleading artworks should be removed to avoid misunderstanding.

Still, the homepage of this site clearly describes the game as a no-technology, kind of low-fantasy one, and even if you can see guns on the artworks that doesn't mean those guns work, what if someone found them while scavanging and wearing it only because it looks cool.

Virtus isn't a developer (I'm not sure if he is an employee or a volunteer forum admin), and he often declared that he doesn't know every aspects of the game. In the post you quoted he started with this sentence:

I think you will start to find guns a bit after prelude has ended, maybe.
Now this doesn't sound like an official confirmation for me.

[aliksteel]

So you are saying anything that is not in game should be out of any art work. So the ones with cars, The one when you start up the game that has the satellite dish in it. I just don't get it, If your not after having guns in the game. What is the big deal. The art work has been there for over 6months, And this is the first time I have heard any one care about it. And that was REV being pissy, He does that from time to time.

[REVKhA]

Well that's it for me seriously , not playing a shamanic based game with religion. I'm leaving that for the christian tradeskillers that are turning this game into a safe heaven since the start. I'm outta here for real this time. I don't want a refund but i sure got scammed with those concept arts showing pistols , rifles and that satellite dish.

I guess i had high hopes for this game but it's gonna turn out into a carebear paradise , no risk and probably the worst combat system in a mmo i have ever seen. I guess they were too busy listening to all the customers that want this game to be solo friendly and crafting only game. This game is truly for people who are scared of pvp and combat.

Adios culeros , i am never coming back here.

[VeryWiiTee]

Don't know about the pre-orders. So I won't take a stand on that.

But I do know that combat is quite new and that this is open-pvp and it will have a good or evil system with wars between empires. So I hardly see his problem. What did I say about high hopes = bad. What is good is that the developers are actually listening to the community.
You know how freaking rare that is? I tested Starcraft 2 all through the beta - I never saw one shitty personal post from the team behind it. Appreciate what you got and contribute constructively instead of whine and threats.

Concept is still what it is. Ideas. Or more preciely put by a friend of mine that draws comics for a magazine concept art is just what it would look like if it was perfect.
That gives them every right to withdraw any whatsoever details on 'em and fashion that concept into something they think is appropriate. Deal with it. It is normal.

Screenshots showing burnt out cars is another thing though :). Bad idea. But they could make it into the game in teh future perhaps when we discover more of the world :D!

[Risk]

aliksteel wrote:

REVKhA wrote:

No plans for guns = no hope for me. Have fun guys... signing out.

Sorry to hear you are leaving the game REVkha.



PARTY!!!
One annoying individual *volunteered to not say bad things anymore in forum* GONE! Just two more who I will keep un-named who are too scared to enter even on day one of reset..hyuck hyuck.

Shoot..it'd be even a good beta test on the combat system..me buck nekid against you two in duet...how's about it I!

[Gamefreak]

You think he's gone?

lol

That's wishful thinking. This is the third time he's said he will quit the game.

[KeithStone]

Gamefreak wrote:

You think he's gone?

lol

That's wishful thinking. This is the third time he's said he will quit the game.

this thread really needs to be closed, xsyon already stated that what he meant was that guns won't be in right away.

[SOFWarrior]

Illmaculate wrote:

They've mislead everyone from the get-go. Remember when the game was all set for launch last April and they started accepting pre-orders?

Yeah, I remember. They were still going with that line, telling us that they only originally needed a 1 month delay, from April to May. Here we are, 7 months later, and it still isn't out. Just a little off there, huh?

It's not the only thing. Remember, we're not in a pay-to-play beta right now, this is "early access" that we've been enjoying. LOL.

Oh, and "Prelude" is essentially going to be a euphemism for "incomplete game at launch".

Regarding the lack of technology as the explanation for no guns, is there a magical rationale for why gunpowder no longer works?

[Roibeirt]

SOFWarrior wrote:

Illmaculate wrote:

They've mislead everyone from the get-go. Remember when the game was all set for launch last April and they started accepting pre-orders?

Yeah, I remember. They were still going with that line, telling us that they only originally needed a 1 month delay, from April to May. Here we are, 7 months later, and it still isn't out. Just a little off there, huh?

It's not the only thing. Remember, we're not in a pay-to-play beta right now, this is "early access" that we've been enjoying. LOL.

Oh, and "Prelude" is essentially going to be a euphemism for "incomplete game at launch".

Regarding the lack of technology as the explanation for no guns, is there a magical rationale for why gunpowder no longer works?

Wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that you magically don't have any gunpowder anymore and you've been born in a world where no-one can magically teach you how to make it?

[Airbornenik]

Well, I do not care if there is guns or not.

But I hope magic is not as important of a factor as it is in every other game. Why should there be people shooting fire or lightning at others when arrows do the same thing and make sense? Magic would be ok for me in a supportive role such as healing but I would prefer medicine or alchemy even

[mrcalhou]

Airbornenik wrote:

Well, I do not care if there is guns or not.

But I hope magic is not as important of a factor as it is in every other game. Why should there be people shooting fire or lightning at others when arrows do the same thing and make sense? Magic would be ok for me in a supportive role such as healing but I would prefer medicine or alchemy even

I'd prefer to use magical healing, scientific medical healing, crossbows, shotguns, plasma rifles, and shooting lightning out my fingertips.

I like options. :D

[Kinslayer]

Personally, I would hate to see magic in this game. Religion, yes, spiritualism, sure, but not magic. Keep healing to medics, or perhaps at first herbalists.

[Xsyon]

Though it will be a while before 'magic' is added, it's not planned as wizard type magic.

Magic will be tribal, religious and nature 'magic', more in line with D&D clerics and druids. I think I already said that. ;)

[Gamefreak]

Xsyon wrote:

Though it will be a while before 'magic' is added, it's not planned as wizard type magic.

Magic will be tribal, religious and nature 'magic', more in line with D&D clerics and druids. I think I already said that. ;)

That's a relief.

[Kinslayer]

Xsyon wrote:

...more in line with D&D clerics and druids. I think I already said that. ;)Could someone please explain this to someone who has no idea when it comes to D&D?

[Xsyon]

You don't play pen and paper D&D? Kids these days... ;)

Cleric and druid magic in D&D is mostly healing, defensive and things like changing the weather or moving without leaving a trace.

There are some combat spells as well, but the primary role is that of a healer.

[trenixdecease]

aliksteel wrote:

Sorry to hear you are leaving the game REVkha.

I was sad to hear that there will not be junk automobiles in game, But I'm not asking for the art work to be pulled.

I'm glad there is no guns. I want a nice tribal type of game, not some FPS. However, automobiles wont be added? That sucks, would of been a nice decoration.

[mrcalhou]

trenixdecease wrote:

I want a nice tribal type of game, not some FPS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribes:_Vengeance