unfair land rush

[KeithStone]

It would help for players to get in and set up their totems and come back when things settle down.

the only fair thing to do would be to reset the server once everything is in proper order.

We should ALL have a fair chance at the land rush!

[miyagi]

everone is lagging ,sois fair for everyone lol?

[mrcalhou]

It'd be even fairer if we weren't limited by arbitrary land boundaries.

[KeithStone]

everone is lagging ,sois fair for everyone lol?

some people are setting poles- and others can't due to the tremendous amount of server lag- that is the unfair land rush.

[BigCountry]

we are all lagging.

whats killing us is the damn server restarts.

i can deal with the lag, but the restarts are killing us lol

[Honelith]

So there's a wipe and someone loses their spot they got originally, how is that fair aswell? Unless there's a weeks notice for the wipe so the info can circulate around the community to give everyone a fair chance.

[Bisjul]

This is completely fair.

[ifireallymust]

I will be sad if it takes a week or two for everything to get straightened out and the game moved to better servers, and then we have to go through yet another wipe and land rush, but as long as preorders still get a jump on everyone else, I can deal with it. The people who can't place totems due to lag paid their preorder money just like I did, and I feel bad for them.

[Aethaeryn]

Well my "tribe" has changed now several times. . I was in Darth Vader Church now I am in "Totem Placement" tribe with Yoori Thorbrand and some others. If the DB is messed up you might not have to worry.

[FPrime]

the only fair thing to do would be to reset the server once everything is in proper order.

We should ALL have a fair chance at the land rush!

Agreed. This isn't just laggy, it's unplayable atm. We shouldn't have the foundations for the rest of the game based on what happens under these conditions.

[Lhowatt]

You guys realize that after servers come back up its going to be the exact same thing?

[Tehralph]

No. Patience wins here. Sorry for your loss, but crying about how you have ADHD isnt going to change anything. We all started the same, asking for the patient people to claim their land a second time is just too much.

[KeithStone]

So there's a wipe and someone loses their spot they got originally, how is that fair aswell?
how is it fair if everyone else wasn't able to do the same thing and lost it due to these problems?


Unless there's a weeks notice for the wipe so the info can circulate around the community to give everyone a fair chance.

sounds good to me

[tredo]

I was first in my spot, server crash one after another after another.... someone placed a totem by accident in my spot and now can't remove it, and I can't place one... DUE TO LAG CRAP! What part of that is fair?

[KeithStone]

No. Patience wins here. Sorry for your loss, but crying about how you have ADHD isnt going to change anything. We all started the same, asking for the patient people to claim their land a second time is just too much.

we didn't all start the same if some people are able to set totems and other can't do it at all because of the lag!

[Lhowatt]

how is it fair if everyone else wasn't able to do the same thing and lost it due to these problems?



Everyone is having these issues. The person who was able to place the totem should be able to keep the totem. They battled through the lag and persevered.

[Ex0dUs101]

Everyones dealing with exactly the same issue, and exactly the same problems.

Fair by definition is everyone under the same conditions, which they are, your argument is flawed...

Lack of patience is the reason your posting, not fairness.

[KeithStone]

I was first in my spot, server crash one after another after another.... someone placed a totem by accident in my spot and now can't remove it, and I can't place one... DUE TO LAG CRAP! What part of that is fair?

exactly my point- there is so much crap going on that they really should just bring the game down and reset the server then reopen it when the downloads have subsided and we can login and play without problems.

[eltgmoney]

Everyones dealing with exactly the same issue, and exactly the same problems.

Fair by definition is everyone under the same conditions, which they are, your argument is flawed...

Lack of patience is the reason your posting, not fairness.

sums it up nicely. Still haven't placed our totem but patience will win out in the end. It would not be fair to the people who are fighting through the lag for hours upon hours to finally place their totem to wipe the server because people tried for a few minutes to an hour and gave up until it is given to them.

[Viper66]

OK.. go back to beta , all beta folks get to place totem,, that should have been there perk,, this needing 5 or more to log in killed this along with new players downloading .. land rush was really bad ,, should have been left as it was in beta it expands as members come into tribe,, to max distance with a certian amout (could expand later as game settles down),, (runs back into the bar)...lol

[tredo]

exactly my point- there is so much crap going on that they really should just bring the game down and reset the server then reopen it when the downloads have subsided and we can login and play without problems.

THIS !

[bcrfan]

It would be unfair if you were the only person this affected, but since everyone is effed, then everyone's on the same playing field. The fact that your "place" got taken, is your fault. Should have made it there earlier, or picked a stop that wasn't so obvious.

edit: and you're complaining and it runs on YOUR server! Apache.

[Honelith]

Everyones dealing with exactly the same issue, and exactly the same problems.

Fair by definition is everyone under the same conditions, which they are, your argument is flawed...

Lack of patience is the reason your posting, not fairness.



sums it up nicely. Still haven't placed our totem but patience will win out in the end. It would not be fair to the people who are fighting through the lag for hours upon hours to finally place their totem to wipe the server because people tried for a few minutes to an hour and gave up until it is given to them.

Can't say it any better then that. There's no talking out of this one. Many will oppose a wipe anyway.

[YamiOkami]

The fact is, the people who want the server reset are people who didnt get their ideal location. And the people who dont are the ones who got a perfect spot. Either way it is selfish... leave it up to the Devs and dont complain either way

[ButtaRock]

this is sad, who has download server, forums & game on the same system??

[Honelith]

this is sad, who has download server, forums & game on the same system??

Download server and forums share the same server/box, the game world is on its own server/box I was told.

[bcrfan]

this is sad, who has download server, forums & game on the same system??

Xsyon. but im geting a 58ms ping to the forums.

[JCatano]

We were under the same conditions. We got 5 online... Crashed a bunch... Lagged a bunch... Kept at it, and our totem is up.

Everyone had the same opportunity as us.

[ifireallymust]

The fact is, the people who want the server reset are people who didnt get their ideal location. And the people who dont are the ones who got a perfect spot. Either way it is selfish... leave it up to the Devs and dont complain either way

Wrong, at least in my case. I don't care so much about losing my location, but a reset would wipe out my character, and I really like my starting tool crafting skills. I will be very sad if I lose this character and have to go through this day again (but at least hopefully minus the lag!), it's just that the situation is so bad for so many people that I can't argue against a reset just because I got lucky and managed to roll a great character, then get a totem placed on a decent (not ideal, but decent) spot.

[BigCountry]

finally got 5 of us in tribe.....

DONT RESET THE FRIGGN SERVERS.

we are all suffering thru this, it's fair.

[KeithStone]

It would be unfair if you were the only person this affected, but since everyone is effed, then everyone's on the same playing field. The fact that your "place" got taken, is your fault. Should have made it there earlier, or picked a stop that wasn't so obvious.

edit: and you're complaining and it runs on YOUR server! Apache.

my place did not get taken- you can't place in starter areas now

we are not a server lol- you probably thought i wouldn't get it.

[bcrfan]

my place did not get taken- you can't place in starter areas now - and what od you mean my server?

http://httpd.apache.org/ <--- this

[mgilbrtsn]

Hey, we just underwent an apocalypse, You gotta expect things to be chaotic. You think everyone is gonna have a fair shot. Absolutely not, some ppl who survived will be in some sad wilderness in the middle of nowhere. They will obviously lag behind those lucky enough to has survived the apocalypse near food, shelter and water.

On a serious not, for those who thought this was gonna be smooth sailing, were deluding themselves. Yes, I know the argument that if you spend money, you should get a product that works. I agree completely, in a perfect world that would be correct. However, even on games that spent tremendous amounts of money and had all of programmers they needed, had rough starts. I remember the initial WoW startup and it was crap. With starting new games, its kind of a tradition with me that I am going to get annoyed, upset, discouraged, and any other emotion you can think of.

[dreampod]

Ultimately I don't think that a server wipe is needed because some people were able to get totems up and others weren't. However we may need one due to unusual database issues where people are being moved into different tribes or are unable to remove their own totems.

[river111]

my place did not get taken- you can't place in starter areas now

we are not a server lol- you probably thought i wouldn't get it.

Soo, you started this thread saying we need a wipe. And from the looks of this you got you plot now right? So still up for that wipe there? Still the right thing to do?

Here, lemme tell ya what I did in the past 5 hours. I got 1 of my 2 characters made and 1 of my two plots with a totem on them. Yup in 5 hours. Constantly reloggin in, constantly rewalking the same path, constantly rebuilding the same character over and over and over for 5 straight. And I tell ya what, if it takes me another 5 hours ot get my second character made and his totem placed then I will do those 5 hours. If someone beats me to his spot then I go for my backup, and another 5 hours if I have to. JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING.

BUT, when I do get both my characters set, and both get thier plots wherever they may end up, I dont want some server wipee because some people gave up trying after 5 minutes and came on the forums to biatch about it being unfair. We all have the same hinderances to us. The same chances of bugs, the same server crashes, the same rollbacks, the same lag. Some of us are just willing to try and make it through it. Those of you who refuse to try shouldnt have a right to a plot until after those of us who are get ours. You want first pick, get in there and fight for it like the rest of us. And stop the whining, this isn't a socialist government with handout programs.

[bankerandrew]

the only fair thing to do would be to reset the server once everything is in proper order.

We should ALL have a fair chance at the land rush!

no, many of us are in the game developing our character... all you people saying to be patient now you want to reset.. lol... no

[taurus1877]

Ok sweet, finally got my totem set and things are in place for ME and MY crew. Definitely should not wipe now. After all it is fair for everybody right!!!!!!!

[Straylight]

Our tribe has 14+ members. We placed a totem early, but it was bugged. Then our leader's tribe window was bugged for hours and we were not even able to disband the tribe or replace the totem. When we finally could get the tribe window working, we could not find ANYWHERE except the top of a mountain, despite being in the game right at the start when the server came up and formed the tribe within a few minutes. There are totems everywhere, literally. Most of them are 1 or 2 person homesteads and I suspect there are a lot of bugged totems that are multiples from one tribe. How is that fair that crashes, bugs mean we cannot have a totem anywhere decent? Why should a 1 person tribe take prime real estate in the game when you have a sizable group that want to make a decent town? I thought the decision to limit totem placing to a tribe of 10 people was a bit steep, but 5 was fine. Then I find anyone can place a totem and what with the game crashes and lag we lose out?

If the decision is not to wipe the server, then I will live with it, but I would prefer a server wipe and a clean start, with a more stable server.

[otomotopia]

I worked 3 hours to place VexX's totem!!! I logged in and out uncountable times from the starter zone to the zone three full zones away, up mountains and rivers and avoiding bears and Bigfoot and green mist to finally place my tribes totem and make our claim!!!! You're telling me you want another wipe!?!!!!!!!!!








But do I want another wipe?
...well, yea, actually.

[Kakinski]

Just one other thing to mention:

There couldnt be everything "fair". When the server started yesterday, it was midnight in europe. So, if we have a wipe and start again at 3:00PM many europeans again are asleep.
I hate all this whining.