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Villa
03-15-2010, 04:13 PM
About damn time they did something officially.
I'm sick of subsiding the cost of software and music because of greedy & selfish bastards who want everything for free and who are probably useless students.

File-sharing laws could see downloaders disconnected (http://news.bbc.co.uk/panorama/hi/front_page/newsid_8567000/8567640.stm)

Is the computer in your home or office being used to illegally download music, films and TV programmes?

The answer could well be yes.

Over seven million people are unlawfully file-sharing, according to a recent study by the British Phonographic Industry (BPI), which represents the recorded music business in the UK, costing the industry £200m a year.

To counteract this growing trend, the government is planning a crackdown on internet pirates - if they are caught file-sharing, their internet will be disconnected.

The Digital Economy Bill (DEB) is currently going through Parliament, and if passed, the new law would introduce a system of letter writing, designed to warn and educate people away from copyright infringement.

If you infringe too often, however, it will be easier for the copyright owners, such as record companies, to identify you and prosecute.[...]

Chuteboxe39
03-15-2010, 04:29 PM
can't stop the internet man. may slow pirates down but there will always be p2p file sharing.

Villa
03-15-2010, 04:52 PM
Chuteboxe39 wrote:

can't stop the internet man. may slow pirates down but there will always be p2p file sharing.
Not if your ISP is forced to disconn you for being the filthy parasite that you are.

r0ss0
03-15-2010, 04:53 PM
QQ MOAR

Villa
03-15-2010, 04:57 PM
r0ss0 wrote:


Hopi Tribe is Looking for Members , But hurry Limited Space's Only

Also -

member - dictionary results
mem·ber? ?/?m?mb?r/ Show Spelled[mem-ber]
–noun
1.a person, animal, plant, group, etc., that is part of a society, party, community, taxon, or other body.
2.a part or organ of an animal body; a limb, as a leg, arm, or wing.
3.the penis

Sorry, what were you looking for again?

r0ss0
03-15-2010, 04:59 PM
Well spotted mr observant

Villa
03-15-2010, 05:01 PM
Ah, you've changed it now.
Did you find sufficient penii?

r0ss0
03-15-2010, 05:13 PM
Changed it coz we are full . Yes found plenty while rummaging through your mothers drawers one starry evening..

Villa
03-15-2010, 05:15 PM
r0ss0 wrote:

Changed it coz we are full . Yes found plenty while rummaging through your mothers drawers one starry evening..
REPORTED.

Palo god
03-15-2010, 05:16 PM
The filthy pig people will get what they deserve soon enough.

Virtus
03-15-2010, 06:51 PM
thread cleaned, keep it that way!

1.) Do not bring IRC comments of that nature into the forums.
2.) Watch the language
3.) Way off topic

now...

to the OP,

good thing that's only England. :P

And, look at Piratebay. Those guys are in jail for a year and the equipment taken but guess what...the site is still up and running as if nothing happened.

Pirates will never be stopped. Pirates can use:

1.) Public location such as libraries
2.) Have a laptop solely for pirating in a public place
3.) Use proxy server networks like Tor
4.) Spoof mac and IP

Kush
03-15-2010, 07:10 PM
You mad cause i got it for freeeee??mad cause you poor son!

Chuteboxe39
03-15-2010, 07:11 PM
you sound like you know what you're talking about *cough*.

Dominus
03-15-2010, 08:55 PM
It'll take a thousand years before they catch and jail every internet pirate on the planet.

Companies say they're losing revenue but most pirates wouldn't even buy their shit in the first place.
There's only a handful who after downloading and liking it, will buy it for reals.

aliksteel
03-15-2010, 09:47 PM
Dominus wrote:

It'll take a thousand years before they catch and jail every internet pirate on the planet.

Companies say they're losing revenue but most pirates wouldn't even buy their shit in the first place.
There's only a handful who after downloading and liking it, will buy it for reals.

So, Your saying that it's OK then?

Dominus
03-15-2010, 09:59 PM
aliksteel wrote:
So, Your saying that it's OK then?
No, I'm not. But what are you gonna do? Life's unfair and even the poor people want some entertainment in their life.

If the wealth of the world would be distributed equally among everyone then there would be no need to steal. Be it food, stuff, movies, music, games etc.

Palo god
03-15-2010, 11:37 PM
Kush wrote:

You mad cause i got it for freeeee??mad cause you poor son!

Jesus said not to steal.

edaw22
03-16-2010, 05:32 AM
While I agree to an extent Dominus you are forgetting one thing; Greed.

However back on topic...

But I like free stuff. Lucky the the rest of the world thinks that us Aussies still live in mud huts and have never even heard of the internet. So long as that keeps up I reckon im pretty safe. ;)

Reynolds
03-16-2010, 06:22 AM
Dominus wrote:


aliksteel wrote:
So, Your saying that it's OK then?
No, I'm not. But what are you gonna do? Life's unfair and even the poor people want some entertainment in their life.

If the wealth of the world would be distributed equally among everyone then there would be no need to steal. Be it food, stuff, movies, music, games etc.

There would also be little incentive for anyone to create.

Theft is theft, I agree it's hard to police, doesn't mean the people being stolen from shouldn't do whatever they can to protect what they own. Going after the individuals who rip stuff off is one way.

That said, companies who try to control the markets from country to country to match what people will pay will break down. If they are willing to sell digital media in country x for $y, I don't see why I should pay $p because I live in country q.

Lily
03-16-2010, 07:05 AM
I companies were more willing to give trial or demos that worked or weren't cripled there'd be less game piracy. There will also be freeloaders, but really when you've not got the cash it's an easy answer. Personally I just like to try things out before I lay down money for it.

masic
03-16-2010, 07:15 AM
Thats true internet pirates will never go away, and cant be completely stopped.

but neither can car thefit, murders will occure, shop lifting, extrotion of the innocent, so lets lay off all the police since we can never truly stop crime..

Fighting illegal activites is like cutting your grass, it always grows back and keeping it trimmed is the best you can hope for, dont trim it weekly and you got a weed infested yard/community...

masic

Lily
03-16-2010, 07:20 AM
I think what annoys me most is the people that try to justify pirating as some great cultural movement, or sticking it to the man. No. It's theft. At least acknowledge you're a dirty little beggar like everyone else and don't make it into something noble.

masic
03-16-2010, 08:02 AM
Bottom line Lily is your right...Im not a fool, i know we cant stop it, but just as you said, its theft nothing more..

Also if something is stole from a theif, dont cry to me that its taken, you endorse by your actions...

Cradlejoe
03-16-2010, 08:42 AM
But I thought everyone loves pirates?
And Robin Hood.

Derek
03-16-2010, 09:03 AM
To the OP,
Be careful what you wish for. More government control/censorship over anything never ends well. It eventually gets abused by the politicians for personal gain.

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." -Lord Acton

Virtus
03-16-2010, 10:10 AM
Cradlejoe wrote:

But I thought everyone loves pirates?
And Robin Hood.

Ninjas are better..but that's for another topic

ofnature
03-16-2010, 10:20 AM
Not if your ISP is forced to disconn you for being the filthy parasite that you are.

You apparently know nothing about vpn lines (google ipredator) that hide all of you activity even from your ISP. They will never stop digital piracy, they will just waste a lot of money and take a way a lot our rights, but they will never stop it.

Reynolds
03-16-2010, 10:42 AM
ofnature wrote:


Not if your ISP is forced to disconn you for being the filthy parasite that you are.

You apparently know nothing about vpn lines (google ipredator) that hide all of you activity even from your ISP. They will never stop digital piracy, they will just waste a lot of money and take a way a lot our rights, but they will never stop it.

They don't need to stop it, just make it so it isn't as easy to rip stuff off. It's up to them to decide if anti piracy policies are worth their time pursuing.

I have no pity for the people dragged through the courts for pirating software, so they can't get them all, if they get enough and bankrupt them through fines, (fines for copyright breaches are pretty stringent) it'll act as a deterrent.

Yes if you are determined enough you can steal, doesn't mean they are wrong to try and catch you, or the courts are wrong to fine you if you get caught.

I don't get the arguments about "our rights". Is stealing someone else's product because you are too cheap to pay for it a right? What about the right of whoever created that product for just reward for the time/effort/skill to create it.

Companies are seeking laws to protect themselves from theft, if that is infringing the rights of the thief, well tough titties!

Just because it is possible and easy to steal stuff, doesn't mean you have a right to.

Cradlejoe
03-16-2010, 10:57 AM
Virtus wrote:

Cradlejoe wrote:

But I thought everyone loves pirates?
And Robin Hood.

Ninjas are better..but that's for another topic

Ninjas work for the man.

Dominus
03-16-2010, 11:01 AM
Ppl of the UK are slowly losing their freedom though. CCTV's, internet censorship and other messed up laws I forgot about.

Largion
03-16-2010, 11:15 AM
I download ALOT and untill the day I can subscribe to something and download what I want Ill keep doing it for free. Its not that I dont want to pay but I dont want to run around looking for a movie/porn and stuff like that.

Virtus
03-16-2010, 11:37 AM
prob not a good idea to admit that :unsure:

Largion
03-16-2010, 12:17 PM
Virtus wrote:

prob not a good idea to admit that :unsure:

anonymous ip. :)

Virtus
03-16-2010, 12:21 PM
/me puts that to the test

Largion
03-16-2010, 12:25 PM
Virtus wrote:

/me puts that to the test

Now why would you go and do that? :P

https://www.ipredator.se/?lang=en

Cunk
03-16-2010, 12:51 PM
Ha ha the OP thinks the cost of software is related to piracy.

lildeath16
03-16-2010, 01:01 PM
Pirating will never end. Peer 2 peer wont end with proxies public internet access, and there are many alternatives like newsbins most are advertised to cost money but you can find free ones. Most pirates pirate because they like what they see in a game or movie but its not worth their valuable money. Some games are shit but u still want to play them, why should someone have to buy a shitty game, when other platforms could rent it. Long story short PC pirating revolves a lot around money, and access. PC cant rent games and it cant rent every movie instantly "though Netflix is getting there". But untill then people are naturaly lazy and you need your money for better things. Why spend your money on useless shit? imo

Reynolds
03-16-2010, 01:04 PM
lildeath16 wrote:

Pirating will never end. Peer 2 peer wont end with proxies public internet access, and there are many alternatives like newsbins most are advertised to cost money but you can find free ones. Most pirates pirate because they like what they see in a game or movie but its not worth their valuable money. Some games are shit but u still want to play them, why should someone have to buy a shitty game, when other platforms could rent it. Long story short PC pirating revolves a lot around money, and access. PC cant rent games and it cant rent every movie instantly "though Netflix is getting there". But untill then people are naturaly lazy and you need your money for better things. Why spend your money on useless shit? imo

Do you also justify people shoplifting for the same reasons?

shadowlz
03-16-2010, 01:33 PM
heh, that why i have ipredator. And yes Reynolds, you can justify shoplifting the same way if they are stealing games. The difference is the people though, Pirates wont shoplift and shoplifters probably don't own a computer and if they do have no idea how to pirate.

Shoplifters steal because they either A are just trying to feed their family, B Doing it for the thrill, or C just don't have money for it.

Pirates Pirate for A No crazy DRM restrictions, B Games now arnt even worth the money half the time, or C because they don't have the money for it.


The industry isn't losing as much money as they think. In shoplifting your stealing a PHYSICAL product that the store paid for, the store now lost money.

No one is losing money in piracy because most pirates would of never bought the game anyway, and its just ripped from a disc. they lose alomost NOTHING.


Not to mention that pirated games you cant play online( most of the time) A lot of pirates will pirate the game, and if they really like it and want it online they will buy it just for the online. Ubisoft and SOL since their game has no online and their DRM is shit.

Reynolds
03-16-2010, 01:50 PM
shadowlz wrote:

heh, that why i have ipredator. And yes Reynolds, you can justify shoplifting the same way if they are stealing games. The difference is the people though, Pirates wont shoplift and shoplifters probably don't own a computer and if they do have no idea how to pirate.

Shoplifters steal because they either A are just trying to feed their family, B Doing it for the thrill, or C just don't have money for it.

Pirates Pirate for A No crazy DRM restrictions, B Games now arnt even worth the money half the time, or C because they don't have the money for it.


The industry isn't losing as much money as they think. In shoplifting your stealing a PHYSICAL product that the store paid for, the store now lost money.

No one is losing money in piracy because most pirates would of never bought the game anyway, and its just ripped from a disc. they lose alomost NOTHING.


Not to mention that pirated games you cant play online( most of the time) A lot of pirates will pirate the game, and if they really like it and want it online they will buy it just for the online. Ubisoft and SOL since their game has no online and their DRM is shit.

You fail to convince me it is in anyway justified. It smacks of, I can steal it so I will. I want it but can't afford it, is no justification for stealing at all. Lots of people steal because they can, it's not a question of difficulty, it's a question of moral bankruptcy. It makes me smile each and every time I hear about fines that people will take the rest of their lives paying back for infringing copywrite.

Chocobot
03-16-2010, 02:28 PM
Money isn't a valid point, I managed to get a lot of games a lot of people considered good for a low price.

Mass Effect, about 3.5 euros on steam during some sales.
Assassins Creed, 3 euros with some kind of cheap magasine.
Red Faction Guerilla, was on for about 15 euros during steam sales.
Total War Mega Pack (R:TW +2 expansions, M2:TW + exp,E:TW), 20 euros on steam


If you have the money you can pay the latest games, if you don't have a lot of money then just live in the past, buy games that are 3-5 years old.

Villa
03-16-2010, 02:47 PM
Hey guys, next time someone robs your mum, remember it's OK to steal.
No problem right?

Palo god
03-16-2010, 02:48 PM
Dominus wrote:

Ppl of the UK are slowly losing their freedom though. CCTV's, internet censorship and other messed up laws I forgot about.

They're even putting 24/7 surveillance cameras in people's homes now.

Largion
03-16-2010, 02:58 PM
Villa wrote:

Hey guys, next time someone robs your mum, remember it's OK to steal.
No problem right?

:laugh:

Villa
03-16-2010, 03:02 PM
Palo god wrote:

Dominus wrote:

Ppl of the UK are slowly losing their freedom though. CCTV's, internet censorship and other messed up laws I forgot about.

They're even putting 24/7 surveillance cameras in people's homes now.
It's for your benefit.

Chocobot
03-16-2010, 03:06 PM
Palo god wrote:

Dominus wrote:

Ppl of the UK are slowly losing their freedom though. CCTV's, internet censorship and other messed up laws I forgot about.

They're even putting 24/7 surveillance cameras in people's homes now.

Knowing a bit of humans, people will dance in front of them naked and they will be removed in a couple of weeks.

Reynolds
03-16-2010, 03:09 PM
Chocobot wrote:

Palo god wrote:

Dominus wrote:

Ppl of the UK are slowly losing their freedom though. CCTV's, internet censorship and other messed up laws I forgot about.

They're even putting 24/7 surveillance cameras in people's homes now.

Knowing a bit of humans, people will dance in front of them naked and they will be removed in a couple of weeks.

If there was any truth in it, we probably would. Yes we have a shit load of CCTV, rest of it is basically fiction.

Palo god
03-16-2010, 03:27 PM
Reynolds wrote:

Chocobot wrote:

Palo god wrote:

Dominus wrote:

Ppl of the UK are slowly losing their freedom though. CCTV's, internet censorship and other messed up laws I forgot about.

They're even putting 24/7 surveillance cameras in people's homes now.

Knowing a bit of humans, people will dance in front of them naked and they will be removed in a couple of weeks.

If there was any truth in it, we probably would. Yes we have a shit load of CCTV, rest of it is basically fiction.

Not exactly. (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&ei=F_efS6GGLIG2swP2z_CFCw&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CA4QBSgA&q=CCTV+cameras+in+people%27s+homes&spell=1&fp=f8bc9ba0718e9555)

Villa
03-16-2010, 03:31 PM
Palo god wrote:

Reynolds wrote:

Chocobot wrote:

Palo god wrote:

Dominus wrote:

Ppl of the UK are slowly losing their freedom though. CCTV's, internet censorship and other messed up laws I forgot about.

They're even putting 24/7 surveillance cameras in people's homes now.

Knowing a bit of humans, people will dance in front of them naked and they will be removed in a couple of weeks.

If there was any truth in it, we probably would. Yes we have a shit load of CCTV, rest of it is basically fiction.

Not exactly. (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&ei=F_efS6GGLIG2swP2z_CFCw&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CA4QBSgA&q=CCTV+cameras+in+people%27s+homes&spell=1&fp=f8bc9ba0718e9555)
LINKY NO WORKY

Redus
03-16-2010, 04:01 PM
Reynolds wrote:

ofnature wrote:


Not if your ISP is forced to disconn you for being the filthy parasite that you are.

You apparently know nothing about vpn lines (google ipredator) that hide all of you activity even from your ISP. They will never stop digital piracy, they will just waste a lot of money and take a way a lot our rights, but they will never stop it.

They don't need to stop it, just make it so it isn't as easy to rip stuff off. It's up to them to decide if anti piracy policies are worth their time pursuing.

The problem is that the harsher the measurement become, the more the legit buyers is having problems. Take Ubisoft, pretty sure there measurement (with actually prevented people from playing single player games, because the server where down!) drive people to pirate the game instead. A harsh measurement only means the pirate has to wait a bit longer before he can play the game.

Also to those claiming that shoplifting and pirating is the same. It is not. One is theft, the other one is a breach of intellectual property laws. Not sure the whole legal talk about it, but there is a big difference.

If I take a game disk from a store it is something the store owner already payed for. Means he is loosing money. Where as when I pirate a game I do not actually steal it, no-one is loosing money, unless you otherwise would have brought it with in many cases would not be true.

Villa
03-16-2010, 04:54 PM
Redus wrote:

Reynolds wrote:

ofnature wrote:


Not if your ISP is forced to disconn you for being the filthy parasite that you are.

You apparently know nothing about vpn lines (google ipredator) that hide all of you activity even from your ISP. They will never stop digital piracy, they will just waste a lot of money and take a way a lot our rights, but they will never stop it.

They don't need to stop it, just make it so it isn't as easy to rip stuff off. It's up to them to decide if anti piracy policies are worth their time pursuing.

The problem is that the harsher the measurement become, the more the legit buyers is having problems. Take Ubisoft, pretty sure there measurement (with actually prevented people from playing single player games, because the server where down!) drive people to pirate the game instead. A harsh measurement only means the pirate has to wait a bit longer before he can play the game.

Also to those claiming that shoplifting and pirating is the same. It is not. One is theft, the other one is a breach of intellectual property laws. Not sure the whole legal talk about it, but there is a big difference.

If I take a game disk from a store it is something the store owner already payed for. Means he is loosing money. Where as when I pirate a game I do not actually steal it, no-one is loosing money, unless you otherwise would have brought it with in many cases would not be true.
Even thieves hate being called thieves.
This is why they always come up with lengthy justifications for stealing from software companies and/or the music industry.
Yeah, I'm talking to you you thief.

Virtus
03-16-2010, 05:01 PM
no, he was saying that he would not be charged with stealing, rather the charge would be breach of intellectual property laws.

w/e that is

Villa
03-16-2010, 05:10 PM
Virtus wrote:

no, he was saying that he would not be charged with stealing, rather the charge would be breach of intellectual property laws.

w/e that is
Just another attempt by thieves to deflect.

Virtus
03-16-2010, 05:24 PM
well the government are thieves, so by making a rule that's technically stealing but not really, then yes, you are correct

Cochran1
03-16-2010, 05:43 PM
Some providers in the US are voluntarily doing this, a family member of mine was DL a movie from utorrent recently and a day later they got an email from their isp with ip address, some personal info, the name of the file they were DL, and a warning of disconnection if they didn't cease the activity.
They were unnerved by it so they uninstalled utorrent, and decided it was time to stop lol.

Palo god
03-16-2010, 11:33 PM
Villa wrote:

Palo god wrote:

Reynolds wrote:

Chocobot wrote:

Palo god wrote:

Dominus wrote:

Ppl of the UK are slowly losing their freedom though. CCTV's, internet censorship and other messed up laws I forgot about.

They're even putting 24/7 surveillance cameras in people's homes now.

Knowing a bit of humans, people will dance in front of them naked and they will be removed in a couple of weeks.

If there was any truth in it, we probably would. Yes we have a shit load of CCTV, rest of it is basically fiction.

Not exactly. (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&ei=F_efS6GGLIG2swP2z_CFCw&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CA4QBSgA&q=CCTV+cameras+in+people%27s+homes&spell=1&fp=f8bc9ba0718e9555)
LINKY NO WORKY

The computer was being a homosexual and talking to other guy computers. Try again Mr witch doctor.

Redus
03-17-2010, 04:29 AM
Villa wrote:

Virtus wrote:

no, he was saying that he would not be charged with stealing, rather the charge would be breach of intellectual property laws.

w/e that is
Just another attempt by thieves to deflect.

Just because people actually know what they are talking about Villa and actually check there facts does not mean they actually are covering. I am just stating facts, no excuses. There simply is a difference between robbing someones mom and pirating something. First of all if you steal from someone personal they get a trauma, they actually loose money, etc. When I pirate something no-one is being harmed. That is also where the difference is.

Is it OK to pirate? No it is not. For both you can get heavy fines or be jailed for. However by law they are not the same and neither is the damage that occurs on a personal level to the victim or on a finical level.

What would you prefer, some comes into your house, puts a gun to your head and then steals you CD or just steals it from the internet? Clearly neither, but you can not claim they are the same.

I am however not against the 3 strike rule. I find this a good measure. I mean if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear right. There are some downsides to this though. It is hard to see the difference without actually having the hard data (saving everyones internet data will be rather expensive). True you can see if they are constantly uploading, but this could simply mean they are downloading/sharing legal MMO's with often use torrents these days or even legal music files. However 3 strike rules is more then acceptable, if you do not understand it the first time you pretty dumb, if the second time you decide to ignore it then you already deserve a fine. The third time you really do deserve what is coming for you. I think just a disconnection from your internet is rather mild.

Asmodeous
03-17-2010, 10:10 AM
I think it would be interesting to see the text of the law, because the article is unspecific and by the way it talks you could easily find your internet shut off if you play WoW and are downloading patches for it with enough regularity, as their delivery engine is P2P.

That's the big problem that comes about with a lot of this debate -- the people doing it legally are getting the shaft more than the people doing it illegally. Which is the crux of the problem.

You have some companies that go the entirely opposite direction, such as StarDock or Paradox Interactive (and many musicians that release all of their music DRM free for purchase off their personal websites) that show incredibly strong evidence that the pirates not only do not negatively affect their bottom line, the increased penetration of their music/games gives them greater revenue as people who may not have bought it to begin with feel they should give back to the creator.

Then you have some on the other end, such as the RIAA, MPAA, BPI, and UbiSoft, that continually create more and more draconian measures to attempt to stop piracy and end up alienating their clientbase, then use the reduced numbers from their own overzealous actions to blame pirates for their loss of revenue.

Obviously the only people that will benefit from the former category are those that are smaller. Small developers that are making low-to-mid budget titles that do not need tens of millions of copies of their game/cd to make a profit, and the latter no one benefits from.

So the question is the happy medium. Wherein does it lie that the consumer is going to get the product they desire with less hassle and the producer still be able to make a profit?

Well, the answer should be pretty obvious -- the producers need to change. Their business models are archaic and need resolution. A good example of this done to positive effect is via the Steam platform. As much as people complain about Steam, Steam as a platform enables DRM usage that is non-invasive, thereby protecting the consumer, and as the consumer is at risk of losing their steam account and therefore all of the software they have purchased from the platform, it protects the producer simultaneously.

The problem is that when you have a 50,000 ton behemoth, it doesn't change direction very well, and therein lies the arguments and attempts to cling to failed business models as the rest of the world marches off in a different direction. Consumers are individuals, and smaller companies/producers are pioneering the new way that information is transferred, and let's face it, music, books, movies, games... it's all just information these days.

The behemoths need to change their tactics, else they will crumble and die, and they will die under the weight of their own kneejerk overreactions to the threat of intellectual property theft. If they do not change their business model, IPT will continue to rise. If they do, it will slow, but it will never be halted.

Times change, you either change with them, or you lose. Only the fittest may survive and whatnot.

Also, anyone that thinks this is justifying piracy has no idea what I'm talking about.

Asmodeous
03-17-2010, 10:13 AM
Oh, and also: "Breach of Intellectual Property" is referred to as "Intellectual Property Theft", not "Breach of IP". Copyrights are breached. Intellectual Property is Stolen. For the record.

Denmark
03-17-2010, 02:59 PM
well im going to be a pirate til they take my home, my internet, and my life. till then AHOY MATEYS.

I havent paid for a game since fallout3, infact bethesda is the only company thats worth my money, the other games nowdays are shit.

THE LIFE OF A PIRATE IS THE LIFE FOR ME

Palo god
03-17-2010, 03:01 PM
Denmark wrote:

well im going to be a pirate til they take my home, my internet, and my life. till then AHOY MATEYS.

I havent paid for a game since fallout3, infact bethesda is the only company thats worth my money, the other games nowdays are shit.

THE LIFE OF A PIRATE IS THE LIFE FOR ME

A phanny pirate?

Denmark
03-17-2010, 03:02 PM
no i would rather stick my member into the hole of a freshly burnt dvd disk.

edaw22
03-17-2010, 03:07 PM
Denmark wrote:

no i would rather stick my member into the hole of a freshly burnt dvd disk.

And im sure you could too ;)

Kidding, I agree entirely. About the pirating I mean, not the DVD Membering :laugh:

Villa
03-17-2010, 03:17 PM
Denmark wrote:

well im going to be a pirate til they take my home, my internet, and my life. till then AHOY MATEYS.

I havent paid for a game since fallout3, infact bethesda is the only company thats worth my money, the other games nowdays are shit.

THE LIFE OF A PIRATE IS THE LIFE FOR ME
I see. So you intend to pirate Xsyon and not pay any monthly fees right?
A parasite AND a thief.

Brutix
03-17-2010, 03:42 PM
You know after I watched Terminator Salvation I decided to never watch movies again.Do your selves a favor and go read books instead or better yet go out and get laid. Movies aren't even worth stealing.

Villa
03-17-2010, 03:47 PM
Brutix wrote:

You know after I watched Terminator Salvation I decided to never watch movies again.Do your selves a favor and go read books instead or better yet go out and get laid. Movies aren't even worth stealing.
Why does everyone hate that movie?
I thought it was pretty decent, though there were a couple of small plotholes.

Asmodeous
03-18-2010, 07:24 AM
Villa wrote:

A parasite AND a thief.

You keep using Randian terminology. All I have to say is "ugh".

Also, and though I admit this is a small contingency of people, my piracy days are what spurned me to come to recognize some truly excellent video game developers. I have sunk more money into Paradox Interactive than I have in many other companies because one day back in the old IRC days of piracy (been out of the loop for so long I don't even know if they still use it!) I stole a copy of Europa Universalis.

I was so absolutely impressed by the depth of the title that I went on to purchase it, EU2, Hearts of Iron, Hearts of Iron 2, EU3, all of EU3's expansions, EU:Rome, Crusader Kings and its expansions, and Victoria (which I still don't know how to play and it sits on a digital shelf in my Gamersgate account).

Further, I tend to use TPB to find reviews of titles (you'd be amazed how good the comments are for whether or not a game is garbage), patches for titles, and NOCDs for titles I own because nothing cheeses me off more than buying a game that I have to wrestle with in order to continue to play because of crappy DRM, and you would probably be astonished how many of the comments (especially on smaller-dev titles) are "If you like this game, don't forget to support the dev and buy it!"

Not all pirates are parasites. Most are, but generalizations are bad, mmkay? I would be willing to wager that if Devs offered useful demos for games (since most demos are garbage these days) and used less invasive DRM, you would see a substantial drop in piracy.

Using DRM == GOOD. Using Invasive DRM == BAD.

Ikisis
03-18-2010, 08:18 AM
Villa wrote:

About damn time they did something officially.
I'm sick of subsiding the cost of software and music because of greedy & selfish bastards who want everything for free and who are probably useless students.

File-sharing laws could see downloaders disconnected (http://news.bbc.co.uk/panorama/hi/front_page/newsid_8567000/8567640.stm)

Is the computer in your home or office being used to illegally download music, films and TV programmes?

The answer could well be yes.

Over seven million people are unlawfully file-sharing, according to a recent study by the British Phonographic Industry (BPI), which represents the recorded music business in the UK, costing the industry £200m a year.

To counteract this growing trend, the government is planning a crackdown on internet pirates - if they are caught file-sharing, their internet will be disconnected.

The Digital Economy Bill (DEB) is currently going through Parliament, and if passed, the new law would introduce a system of letter writing, designed to warn and educate people away from copyright infringement.

If you infringe too often, however, it will be easier for the copyright owners, such as record companies, to identify you and prosecute.[...]

That's the UK only most likely. And Who the fucks the moron downloading p2p and not using a Proxy.

Proxy = Done deal game over Government loses.

Redus
03-18-2010, 08:35 AM
Denmark wrote:

well im going to be a pirate til they take my home, my internet, and my life. till then AHOY MATEYS.

I havent paid for a game since fallout3, infact bethesda is the only company thats worth my money, the other games nowdays are shit.

THE LIFE OF A PIRATE IS THE LIFE FOR ME

While I slightly understand the concept of pirating because you do not have the money (or because the game is not being release/legal in your region), but pirating because games are shit nowadays? Then why pirate the game if it is shit?

Especially if your proud of being a "pirate", it is simply nothing to be proud of. You would think that if a user is saying this on an website owned by an game designed he would be rather quickly kicked.

Ikisis
03-18-2010, 08:45 AM
Redus wrote:

Denmark wrote:

well im going to be a pirate til they take my home, my internet, and my life. till then AHOY MATEYS.

I havent paid for a game since fallout3, infact bethesda is the only company thats worth my money, the other games nowdays are shit.

THE LIFE OF A PIRATE IS THE LIFE FOR ME

While I slightly understand the concept of pirating because you do not have the money (or because the game is not being release/legal in your region), but pirating because games are shit nowadays? Then why pirate the game if it is shit?

Especially if your proud of being a "pirate", it is simply nothing to be proud of. You would think that if a user is saying this on an website owned by an game designed he would be rather quickly kicked.

Yeah go ahead and try to pirate a mmo.... did you just read what you said? Cuz it didnt really apply.

Asmodeous
03-18-2010, 10:43 AM
Redus wrote:

Denmark wrote:

well im going to be a pirate til they take my home, my internet, and my life. till then AHOY MATEYS.

I havent paid for a game since fallout3, infact bethesda is the only company thats worth my money, the other games nowdays are shit.

THE LIFE OF A PIRATE IS THE LIFE FOR ME

While I slightly understand the concept of pirating because you do not have the money (or because the game is not being release/legal in your region), but pirating because games are shit nowadays? Then why pirate the game if it is shit?

Think of it like a "demo". If it's good, you go buy it. If it's not, you just uninstall it and delete the iso.

Largion
03-18-2010, 03:31 PM
I just wanted to say ARGH!

GetAngry
03-19-2010, 08:00 PM
How would they prevent people who go around using other peoples WiFi, however they may get it or if its not secure, and then they shut down an innocent persons internet? I guess if it's not secure then it's the owner of the WiFis fault. But the money wasted on this program would better be spent somewhere else because they aren't going to stop it with all the tools pirates have.

masic
03-21-2010, 02:26 PM
What I find really amazing. So many try to justify it by saying, their ripping us off, so i'm not gonna pay. What gets me is the theifts are behaving the EXACT same way as the ones they try to use as justification...there are rip offs out their, there are "poorly developed games" that when you get them you feel like someone has stole something from you. Guess what..YOU ARE THE SAME..lol feel ripped off..look in the mirror and see who's ripping you off..

As far stopping it..like i said before, you can never stop it completely, but you will never stop murder, cons, extortion or theift either...but you gotta try, or society will crumble around you. Short sighted greedy people nothing more...

masic

Villa
01-10-2018, 03:13 PM
Oh hi, so it seems I got cut off by my ISP for sailing the high seas of the internet.
But I'm back.

What I miss?

legend552
01-11-2018, 03:44 PM
I'm thoroughly confused. I've never seen this before.

Wyry
01-12-2018, 01:31 AM
Are you aware that this thread is 8 (EIGHT) years old, of 2010 ??? Why reviving it?

legend552
01-12-2018, 11:23 PM
I saw that too as soon as I saw it was unread. Like what? XD