Consensual war...WHY?

[Umberto]

Am I the only one here that thinks making war consensual kind of defeats the purpose of war?


Tribe 1: Hey can we declare war on you guys and take your territory?

Tribe 2: Sure why not, war declaration accepted!


Thoughts? Am I missing something here?

[FabricSoftener]

Am I the only one here that thinks making war consensual kind of defeats the purpose of war?


Tribe 1: Hey can we declare war on you guys and take your territory?

Tribe 2: Sure why not, war declaration accepted!


Thoughts? Am I missing something here?

its a game and its like saying 'I want to play boggle. I know you dont want to play boggle but I do and there for you must play boggle with me'

does that make any sense? I will play boggle with you if I want to , if i dont want to then you can F off.

does that help any?

besides, why do you care? you plan on going on the peace server now Umberto?

[orious13]

Re-read the update. I think you misunderstand what Xsyon meant by consentual warfare.

[Umberto]

its a game and its like saying 'I want to play boggle. I know you dont want to play boggle but I do and there for you must play boggle with me'

does that make any sense? I will play boggle with you if I want to , if i dont want to then you can F off.

does that help any?

besides, why do you care? you plan on going on the peace server now Umberto?

I don't know what I'm going to do. I'm just trying to understand this whole thing.

[Umberto]

Re-read the update. I think you misunderstand what Xsyon meant by consentual warfare.

I'll do that.

[FabricSoftener]

I don't know what I'm going to do. I'm just trying to understand this whole thing.

yes you do, you are going to the war server and you have already stated that and I wouldnt expect any less from an outstanding darkfall player.

are you just bored and playing forum pvp now?

[Ikisis]

Consensual warfare would mean tribes choosing to be warring tribes or not. This would be a permanent or difficult to reverse choice, not a switch and would have benefits. Wild areas will remain as open PvP areas on both servers.

I can see it now, 1 tribe op's for War, tribe 2 doesn't so tribe 2 Raid's tribe 1 and goes nanana boo boo we are in safe zone now ha ha you cant raid back..

Ill go war thank you.

[FabricSoftener]

Consensual warfare would mean tribes choosing to be warring tribes or not. This would be a permanent or difficult to reverse choice, not a switch and would have benefits. Wild areas will remain as open PvP areas on both servers.

I can see it now, 1 tribe op's for War, tribe 2 doesn't so tribe 2 Raid's tribe 1 and goes nanana boo boo we are in safe zone now ha ha you cant raid back..

Ill go war thank you.

is that the part where This would be a permanent or difficult to reverse choice part comes in?

[Ikisis]

is that the part where This would be a permanent or difficult to reverse choice part comes in?

maybe you dont understand what i said.
Tribe 1 goes for open to War
Tribe 2 doesnt they stay Tribe zone safezone
So Tribe 2 Go to Tribe 1's city and raid them and kill them
Then when Tribe 1 wants revenge on Tribe 2 then say Na NA cant get me because we didnt go war.

Understand? has nothing todo with that system you are talking about.

[orious13]

Consensual warfare would mean tribes choosing to be warring tribes or not. This would be a permanent or difficult to reverse choice, not a switch and would have benefits. Wild areas will remain as open PvP areas on both servers.

I can see it now, 1 tribe op's for War, tribe 2 doesn't so tribe 2 Raid's tribe 1 and goes nanana boo boo we are in safe zone now ha ha you cant raid back..

Ill go war thank you.

Obviously that's not going to happen. Its more like "I have a war totem.. he/she/it has a trade totem." When warring you'll be fighting vs other war totem users. Something would have to be in place so that the non-warring or trade totem users couldn't help a warring tribe without severe consequences. For instance, the trade totem is instantly warring if they tried to help other war totems during a war.

Other ways are to make "partial war flagging". So that if one trade user attacked a war totem, they'd then be a war totem for X amount of days or forever.

Instead of ridiculing I'd think of ways to make it work.

[Ikisis]

i dont see how it will, only way i can think to make it work is for me to not care what you guys do on Peace and only care about me on WAR...

I just wanted to Simply state the first most obvious Grief tactic that came to mind when i saw that. (honestly i saw it play out in my head as i was reading.)

But only way i can see to fix it is if you mark your Clan as none War, you are removed from the pvp system completely you have a special colored name so people know your not attackable Invisible walls keep you out of other's tribe area's (No scout/spying).
And it would make it so you can attack Mob's and animal's but you cant damage other players and they cant damage you.

Maybe even go to the length of if there is a War totem droped in the area they hit a invisible wall so they cant go mess up the siege.

[Niburu]

Go on the PVP server then ?

[orious13]

You just have to make a big enough consequence.

I'll probably be war anyway.

[rott23]

I'm so disappointed that they made a war and peace server.

Splitting the population this way ruins the realism of having tribes that are trying to survive by helping each other, and those that are trying to take over.

It shouldn't be that all inhabitants of the server are wanting to engage in war. Why is he giving in to those who want to change the game?

What happens when people whine that there are no raids, bosses, or phat loots? Will we see them give into this as well, and have instances pop up around the basin?

Exaggerating a bit? Yes. But I didn't think this would happen either. I didn't think it would change this dramatically. Whats next.....?

[baka77]

Whats next.....?

Micro-transaction item mall? YES!!!! I CAN FINALLY GET ME AN OLD SAW BLADE!!!!

Jokes aside, I'm with Rott & Ikisis. For this game to be all it can be, we all need all player types playing together. It's the circle of life...evil pvpers attack crafters, crafters seek aid from the good pvpers, good pvpers attempt to stop the evil pvpers. Anything less is just that...less.

[orious13]

There already was a pretty good compromise. I think those that have seemed to ruin that one should make an apology thread. lol.

I mean really.

There's almost no pleasing some of the newer community (yes...i'm feb, but I'm pleased with whatever).

[Treepoet]

I find it utterly impossible to consider there being no pvp-centric or at least pvp-desiring Tribe playing on the Peace server. ESPECIALLY since the server is named Peace do I find it hard to believe that no evil-minded pvpers will roll on it. And this is just PVP. I believe that there is more conflict in store for the game in regards to combat, but we have just barely scratched the surface.

[baka77]

I liken the current situation to ordering a pizza.

I can listen to my wife who wants to do something convenient & settle for a delivery pizza from Little Caesar's or Domino's. It will fill me up & it certainly beats nothing at all. This is the status quo with two servers.

Or I can press the issue & try to convince her to drive up to Lou Malnati's for the best deep dish pizza on the planet. This is the original single server setup.

For those of us who believe that a single server is the "better pizza," why wouldn't we try to voice our opinion? Worst case, Jordi says no - what's done is done. Best case, we magically find some compromise that works for everyone & we can be one big happy server family again.

At this point, I'm feeling like what's done is done. Now all that remains is to convince as many people as possible to come with me to Little Caesar's (WAR server)!!! Maybe we can take over the joint & force the "chefs" to make us some deep dish that kinda sorta resembles Lou's. LOL

[mrcalhou]

Good comprimise: Open PvP / free-claim and building area with lots of unique resources surrounding an "angelic" protected safezone.

Bad comprimise: Splitting the population onto two seperate rule-set servers.

[orious13]

I find it utterly impossible to consider there being no pvp-centric or at least pvp-desiring Tribe playing on the Peace server. ESPECIALLY since the server is named Peace do I find it hard to believe that no evil-minded pvpers will roll on it. And this is just PVP. I believe that there is more conflict in store for the game in regards to combat, but we have just barely scratched the surface.

Yep... in the long run there will be a large variety of people on both servers. That is saying if Jooky doesn't listen to the outcries of the community again and state now everything is back how it was originally.

Regardless...
Fun will be had by all.

[mrcalhou]

I liken the current situation to ordering a pizza.

I can listen to my wife who wants to do something convenient & settle for a delivery pizza from Little Caesar's or Domino's. It will fill me up & it certainly beats nothing at all. This is the status quo with two servers.

Or I can press the issue & try to convince her to drive up to Lou Malnati's for the best deep dish pizza on the planet. This is the original single server setup.

For those of us who believe that a single server is the "better pizza," why wouldn't we try to voice our opinion? Worst case, Jordi says no - what's done is done. Best case, we magically find some compromise that works for everyone & we can be one big happy server family again.

At this point, I'm feeling like what's done is done. Now all that remains is to convince as many people as possible to come with me to Little Caesar's (WAR server)!!! Maybe we can take over the joint & force the "chefs" to make us some deep dish that kinda sorta resembles Lou's. LOL


Using a pizza analogy, I'd think about it along the lines of having two people. One wants pepperoni, the other wants chicken. Now, neither person can eat a whole pizza, but, instead of ordering a single pizza that's half pepperoni and half chicken, they order a pizza for each and then let the halves they couldn't eat collect mold in the 'fridge'.

[Tom316]

Other then the simple fact that there are going to be 2 servers is more because of the size of the population. The game CANNOT handle everyone on one server. It was not designed that way from the ground up and its just not possible to make it work. Theres more then enough people to make a single server full so instead of forcing people to wait in que's to login another server is being opened.

Since there are going to be 2 servers it only made sense to open a more pvp centric server since there are some people that want that type of a server.

[ColonelTEE3]

I feel like im speaking from a very inexperienced standpoint, since i haven't been here as long, but i get a strong feeling the war server will capture most of the population, and the peace server will die out and people will reroll on the war server when it becomes evident that people get bored with peace when you have too much of it.. which works fine for me because im heading for the war server c:

[rott23]

I'm sure it will all work out, I just hope the decisions made in the last few days don't ruin what could have been a dynamic community and game world.

...and now I want some pizza. Thanks, Cuddle. haha

[maelwydd]

QUestion about the war server. When the safe zones drop does that mean, if I am solo or in a small tribe of only a few players, if we happen to be off line another tribe could destroy and take everything? What exactly CAN we do, when initial protection drops, to protect ourselves both when online and offline?

[ifireallymust]

QUestion about the war server. When the safe zones drop does that mean, if I am solo or in a small tribe of only a few players, if we happen to be off line another tribe could destroy and take everything? What exactly CAN we do, when initial protection drops, to protect ourselves both when online and offline?

These are good questions, and I'd like to know, too. But the answers simply might not be available yet. For myself, as a solo player, I'm going with the safe bet and assuming that numbers will matter on the War server, and they'll matter a lot. I'm just going to assume that, no matter what I build or how well I build it, whether I"m online or offline, if fifty people storm the walls, I'm done for. And so I will have a character on each server, a main on Peace, and more of a project character on War.