tribe radii

[blake378]

we have a 5 member tribe and our area is still the same as a homestead is anyone else getting this problem still?

[NexAnima]

we have a 5 member tribe and our area is still the same as a homestead is anyone else getting this problem still?

Did you set a totem down before you had 5 members? If so you may have to reset it to have the changes take affect.

[blake378]

nope it has always had 5 members

[Mitsarugii]

our band of 5 when we placed the totem yesterday after 2nd placement reset was fine. the radius was slightly larger then the homesteads original radius b4 it was shrunk. when we gained a 6th member it grew another few yrds so its all working now as far as i can tell

[NexAnima]

Also, are you comparing it to the old homestead size or the new one? If you hadn't heard, everything was shrunk. A band size is pretty much the same size as the original homestead plot.

We have a band of 8 players and it seems to be proper.

[blake378]

yea i was comparing it to the old homestead size. so what your telling me is now that i have 5 people in a tribe we would have been better off just making 5 homesteads and working together? this seems like one f*** up after another. it seems like to me that they are catering to the larger tribes by giving the smaller tribes and homesteads the shaft. make radii the same as they were no reason to change it.

[Mitsarugii]

the band radius expands when more ppl join it

plus the new homestead size is like half the old one i think now

[aliksteel]

Even the homesteads have been shrunken. So it would not help by 5 people going solo/homestead.

[blake378]

so say homesteads are 15m 5x15 =75 the new tribe radius= around 30-40 how is that even remotely fair? 5 people being crammed into the old size of one person and if you do the math correctly if we put those 5 homesteads near each other we can cover a lot more area.

[ifireallymust]

I can see why 5 doesn't get 5 times what one does, although I admit, 5 crammed into the space of a solo homestead seems really crowded.

Reasons for and against turning one band into 5 homesteads:

You only need one fence as a band, same as a solo player (or maybe you'll want a moat/wall/moat/wall/fence intricate type layering, but either way, you still only need it at the perimeter, and if you do decide to put any or all of that up, it takes up a lot of space. The same amount of space for 1 as for 5). If you put up 5 homesteads, you'll need 5 separate perimeters (unless there's a way to connect homesteads with defenses, could be, I wouldn't know). Most of your space will still be taken up by 'fence' if you decide to fence anything at all.

On the plus side, though, resources too spread out to be covered by your one safe zone could be covered by 5 homesteads.

Then again, you can't help each other terraform or build, correct? You would have to abandon your totem to join someone else's homestead in order to help them do any terraforming or building.

Someone can probably kill a visitor before an invulnerable homesteader can kill them or drive them off.

You can expand with every member you recruit if you stay a band. So unless you're certain you want to remain 5, you give up the potential space around you when you split into 5 homesteads.

[jumpshot]

so say homesteads are 15m 5x15 =75 the new tribe radius= around 30-40 how is that even remotely fair? 5 people being crammed into the old size of one person and if you do the math correctly if we put those 5 homesteads near each other we can cover a lot more area.

I think you should do this, so when pvp'ers come they can at least kill 4/5 of your crew in a safe zone.

[blake378]

I can see why 5 doesn't get 5 times what one does, although I admit, 5 crammed into the space of a solo homestead seems really crowded.

Reasons for and against turning one band into 5 homesteads:

You only need one fence as a band, same as a solo player (or maybe you'll want a moat/wall/moat/wall/fence intricate type layering, but either way, you still only need it at the perimeter, and if you do decide to put any or all of that up, it takes up a lot of space. The same amount of space for 1 as for 5). If you put up 5 homesteads, you'll need 5 separate perimeters (unless there's a way to connect homesteads with defenses, could be, I wouldn't know). Most of your space will still be taken up by 'fence' if you decide to fence anything at all.

On the plus side, though, resources too spread out to be covered by your one safe zone could be covered by 5 homesteads.

Then again, you can't help each other terraform or build, correct? You would have to abandon your totem to join someone else's homestead in order to help them do any terraforming or building.

Someone can probably kill a visitor before an invulnerable homesteader can kill them or drive them off.

You can expand with every member you recruit if you stay a band. So unless you're certain you want to remain 5, you give up the potential space around you when you split into 5 homesteads.

yes that correct and im not sure if you can put the radius together but you could cover a lot more scrap pile and have a way to keep it within your group is what im looking at i also agree that tribe size should get the size of one homestead per member up to a certain point.

[Joph]

so say homesteads are 15m 5x15 =75 the new tribe radius= around 30-40 how is that even remotely fair? 5 people being crammed into the old size of one person and if you do the math correctly if we put those 5 homesteads near each other we can cover a lot more area.

Let's do same basic math here. (I'm using the numbers above, no idea what the real sizes are)

Area of a circle = pi x r^2

So for a 15m diameter homestead we get 3.14 * 7.5 * 7.5 = 176 m2 and 5 homesteads = 883 m2

Now if the diameter of a small tribe is 40m we get 3.14 * 20 * 20 = 1256 m2

i.e. a tribe of diameter 40m has roughly 50% more area then 5 homesteads of 15m diameter

[ifireallymust]

I think you should do this, so when pvp'ers come they can at least kill 4/5 of your crew in a safe zone.

Well that's only if they can get in to do the killing, but it would take a ton of extra work and resources to make sure they can't. I'm thinking that creating 5 sets of good fencing with no one able to help anyone else with the construction would be tough.

Seems we're all a bit crowded at the moment. Maybe when the mist opens everyone will have the choice to claim a larger area for all types of settlement, if they're willing to deal with the risks involved.

[jumpervii]

The radius of area with our band of 5 is 25, a neighbor totem has 1 guy and he has a radius of 25. Having 5 people did not improve it or do we have to have a 6th before we see a size increase. In that case don't say 5 is this minimum number since it don't do dick to the tribe area size. So to the math done above whats larger of an area, 1x1963=1963 or 5x1963=9,815.