When the lag hits...

[maelwydd]

Seeing as it is suspected that a build up of actions causing more and more lag is the main suspect, we could all do ourselves a big favor by perhaps cutting back on spamming actions when the lag hits.

Lets help each other by waiting a few seconds in between actions when the lag starts to build so that it doesn't get to a point it takes 2 minutes to do something.

[Vander]

You mean like fishing?

[maelwydd]

Well untill they pinpoint which actions are causing the buildup anything could be the culprit so yes, even fishing might be causing it.

For instance, with no loag you can hit the fish icon immediately your previous fish request completes. but the time it take for the DB to return the result might take 0.1s (only for example).

SO you click fish, the animation begins, the animation stops, (you click fish and the DB request start at same time but the request is 0.1s behind).

Do this 10 times the result takes 1s to return. Do this 100 time it takes 10s.

I could be totally wrong but it might help.

[bruisie159]

I know the devs keep saying this and its talked about a lot on here, but how does that explain the fact that we had massive lag when 99% of actions were disabled? Unless it really is fishing! Maybe they just need to diable fishing (or foraging) and we'd be fine!

[STAR_GOD]

There has been lot of anger lot rage lot of refunds lot of many things.. But main thing lot of lag. We still havent heard any explanation from Xsyon on what is causing lag apart of the recent fact that they have pinpointed it..

Now in all fairness I think most of us like to know how long we all gona suffer in these conditions and I think even more patient people are loosing patience...

There is really no point of 2 month free gameplay if all we can do is lagg in these conditions to point where we really cant do anything or just feeling like getting drunk would be more productive...

Even hardcore players are starting to cry like little babies...

There has been many specualtions on lag issues i.e. the more players in one point that get lagged, the out lag spreads to others like infection..

other say because xsyon is using cheap end SQL databse it cant cope with all data that is beeing saved..

The wierdest part of lag is that you lag for about 2 hours and then suddenly you have no lag for 10 or so minutes and its back again.. This is not how game lag operates that kinda lag situation points to devs actualy messing with things and perhaps clearing catches manualy...

There is lot of speculation but I think we all like to know what xsyon has to say about it.. There has been really lack of announcments and information from xsyon and we wanna hear more...

If I would be new player joining xsyon right now I would quit because lag is Horrible beyound and there is no explanations whats going on whats causing lag how long ect from xsyon even guides got no clue...

I am not developer but most people like to have more information and its really time to deal with it otherwise this game is getting very unplayabel and you getting cheesed off community..

[Chavoda]

Yawn.. complaining again Star_God ..owell here we go then Offcial DEV words

We know the cause of the lag
We are working day and night to fix it.
Its the in the actions people do that causes a buildup in the DB, they are working on optimizing the server code to decrease lag.
for the past two days lag has bin decreasing, it needs more and more players to bottleneck the DB.

Now , Xsyon is in the game chat a lot, talking whit players asking some questions and going back to work, he will post a update when he has more to say then we are working on it.

Your frustration is understandable but by now you should know that post like these don't do nay good, for you, for the game, and the community.

[maelwydd]

I know the devs keep saying this and its talked about a lot on here, but how does that explain the fact that we had massive lag when 99% of actions were disabled? Unless it really is fishing! Maybe they just need to diable fishing (or foraging) and we'd be fine!

Well personally I see no harm in taking a small 10-15s break from any action if it will help the overall fun for everyone. And the lag you mentioned may have been associated with something they have already fixed.

I am just gessing of course, just want to keep lag to a useable level and if that means not spamming an action I will do it.

[maelwydd]

^^

What Sparrow said.

[Banano]

Even hardcore players are starting to cry like little babies...


I'd like you to retract that statement on the grounds that I'm hardcore and I'm not complaining.

Thank you in advance,
Banano

[Dkerns0123]

I know the devs keep saying this and its talked about a lot on here, but how does that explain the fact that we had massive lag when 99% of actions were disabled? Unless it really is fishing! Maybe they just need to diable fishing (or foraging) and we'd be fine!

Or that lag free bliss for the 6-8 hour time frame it wasn't saving. Most of the world was terraforming and doing whatever their little hearts desired and the lag was virtually non existant

[xyberviri]

Or that lag free bliss for the 6-8 hour time frame it wasn't saving. Most of the world was terraforming and doing whatever their little hearts desired and the lag was virtually non existant

yup last night, i stayed up from like 00:00-04:00 local time, dam im so tired at work right now, i think when i get home ill just go to sleep and wake up at midnight so i can play till i have to go to work at 07:30.

also to be honest the only thing you can do when the lag hits is keep doing what your doing, but also join the IRC channel and state what you were doing when the lag hits. (except spaming the same ability faster than you could have actually preformed it)

the only way to find the problem is to keep producing the problem.

[cejay]

Yawn.. complaining again Star_God ..owell here we go then Offcial DEV words

We know the cause of the lag
We are working day and night to fix it.
Its the in the actions people do that causes a buildup in the DB, they are working on optimizing the server code to decrease lag.
for the past two days lag has bin decreasing, it needs more and more players to bottleneck the DB.

Now , Xsyon is in the game chat a lot, talking whit players asking some questions and going back to work, he will post a update when he has more to say then we are working on it.

Your frustration is understandable but by now you should know that post like these don't do nay good, for you, for the game, and the community.

FYI those of us who are in game know that he does NOT know what is causing it, but is working hard (along with all of us, the non-forum-warrior community, giving him feedback) to fix it.

[maelwydd]

Or that lag free bliss for the 6-8 hour time frame it wasn't saving. Most of the world was terraforming and doing whatever their little hearts desired and the lag was virtually non existant

Well I might be totally off but if the game wasn't saving then the DB requests were not being made so the lag caused by DB requests quing up would not have happened. Again, I am not a developer I can understand there being a lack of lag if there are no DB requests being made.

[Vander]

I'd like you to retract that statement on the grounds that I'm hardcore and I'm not complaining.

Thank you in advance,
Banano

It wasn't an inclusive statement. He wasn't saying 'every' hardcore player is complaining. His statement is likely quite true. If there is more than one hardcore gamer complaining then the statement is accurate.

[Jadzia]

FYI those of us who are in game know that he does NOT know what is causing it, but is working hard (along with all of us, the non-forum-warrior community, giving him feedback) to fix it.
Perhaps you should let your tribe leader know this as well. He is obviously unaware of this and thats why starting QQing threads all the time.

[cejay]

Perhaps you should let your tribe leader know this as well. He is obviously unaware of this and thats why starting QQing threads all the time.

He's bored, and upset.

Honestly, we all should be.

However, here we all still are trying to help.

Cut him some slack.

[Banano]

However, here we all still are trying to help.


You're right.

I want to start a useless thread to help as well. Who's with me?

[xyberviri]

Its probably the "you can not do X here" when your terraforming, like clearing land, you get ticked you have to find a different spot it will accept the command and start to hit the button a bunch of times tring to find a spot you can clear. eventually i figured out you can just level to clear the spot also.

The terraforming ability needs a new interface instead of a stand where you want to do the change junk, like a way to highlight a tile and show green if it works and red if you wont be able to for some reason and then you can have a better way to terraform.

[STAR_GOD]

You're right.

I want to start a useless thread to help as well. Who's with me?

Hopw is asking for more communication usless?

[Captain_Kirk]

It would be freaking fucking awesome of you to fix the lag. Or add a queue to the server. Either way I dont give a shit as long as we can play the game.

''Pre-Order players will have 2 1/2 months of game time starting tomorrow.''

Thank you for an awesome game and you better sort this shit out or give us more free time.

[cejay]

You're right.

I want to start a useless thread to help as well. Who's with me?

Your on your own.

[Banano]

It's useless because there's another thousand of them lying around.

[STAR_GOD]

It's useless because there's another thousand of them lying around.

so why u reading it if it usless?

[redrazor]

What Sparrow said.

[Banano]

It is such an eye sore I can't bare not to come in here and state so.

I don't like watching a tsunami roll into Japan and flood everything but I watch it anyways.

[Armand]

It would be freaking fucking awesome of you to fix the lag. Or add a queue to the server. Either way I dont give a shit as long as we can play the game.

''Pre-Order players will have 2 1/2 months of game time starting tomorrow.''

Thank you for an awesome game and you better sort this shit out or give us more free time.

Imagine those who are buying post "pre-order" and who just have 2 months.

It's not pretty, and I myself am not demanding a refund because I know just how great this game is lag free... but I very much understand those who do. It's bloody unplayable.

[Akkaros]

well I'm kinda new to this game but how can a mmorpg in final release be so laggy ? Lag is something obvious and easily detected during a stress test in open beta

[nordsee1980]

Yes we get 2 weeks extra and end of march beginning our 2 montht that we paid for. Keep cool its an indie crew that programming that nice Sandbox game.

Hey Captain Kirk why are u not on ur Spaceship. Ur Crew need his Captain.

[Dade512]

Actually cejay, the other night before they started running more refined detection code he said, in game, (approx) that they knew what actions were causing it but now they need to fond out the why.

And star, have you considered they aren't saying what actions are causing it so more 'retards' don't do them intentionally?

New to game releases Akkaros? Wow had a terrible release that lasted for like a month.

[Banano]

And star, have you considered they aren't saying what actions are causing it so more 'pandemic tribe' don't do them intentionally?


Fixed. (+10chars)

[Marcus]

Another one by Star God......

what a shock.

[xyberviri]

I think that was a reference to the rollback, that's basically database corruption. It could all boil down to one of the hard drives on there Raid Array(which they should be using) is bad and is causing data corruption, it could be the compression method if one is used, It could be the link between the world server and the database server is maxing at capacity and dropping packets so its resending data(which they should be running GiB locally so this shouldn't be a issue)

It could also be the method used to save data into the database that is taking a long time to process. if its getting converted then it will have to be qued up and if that same type of request gets spamed it will cause a back log.


Database servers in my experience are like porn stars, can get slammed really hard before they start queuing the requests. Even very crappy database servers are usually very good to a point.

Maybe its the snow, it just appears on the ground, maybe its the rain it just appears on the ground too and seems to pool in places same as the snow, that seems to perhaps cause database issues.

they should try to turn off the weather effects of snow and rain and just leave day and night and see if the problem goes away.

[cejay]

Actually cejay, the other night before they started running more refined detection code he said, in game, (approx) that they knew what actions were causing it but now they need to fond out the why.

And star, have you considered they aren't saying what actions are causing it so more 'retards' don't do them intentionally?

New to game releases Akkaros? Wow had a terrible release that lasted for like a month.

Yes, your too busy on forums whereas in game he was communicating with the playerbase 10 mins ago.

He doesnt know but is trying.

[Dade512]

When you buy an mmo all you buy is the disc or download. They don't HAVE to let you on the server til you pay a monthly fee. It's just kinda custom for most games to give you a free month. However Xsyon was kind enough to give us two, plus time in pre-release plus two weeks extra.

[taurus1877]

Database servers in my experience are like porn stars, can get slammed really hard before they start queuing the requests. Even very crappy database servers are usually very good to a point.

This made me laugh so hard!! LoL

[d3m0nd0]

Game? Isnt this the Lag Simulator 2011? :confused:

[bruisie159]

Lag is incremental, it does build up over time. Seems to be about 15 mins to get to about 60 secs lag or therabouts in a moderately busy time. Re logging every 15 mins is a pain but it does improve performance.

Playing "off peak" the lag is usually very low. - 7:00am - 4:00pm GMT

[Tandarie]

I think it has to do with the weather and seasons myself. I would love to see him test other seasons besides fall with snow patches. We've never had this much lag in the other seasons. Maybe I'm nuts but I really wish he would make it spring and see if it has anything to do with it.

[mindtrigger]

It would be freaking fucking awesome of you to fix the lag. Or add a queue to the server. Either way I dont give a shit as long as we can play the game.

''Pre-Order players will have 2 1/2 months of game time starting tomorrow.''

Thank you for an awesome game and you better sort this shit out or give us more free time.

If this was my game, I would BAN this guy just out of principle alone.

[d3m0nd0]

But if everyone plays offpeak its no longer offpeak! So shhhhhh! :D

[bruisie159]

But if everyone plays offpeak its no longer offpeak! So shhhhhh! :D

oh shiiiiit

[Xidian]

I just play through the lag, only when it becomes like 1min lag then I stop playing for a few minutes.

[Xidian]

Imagine those who are buying post "pre-order" and who just have 2 months.

It's not pretty, and I myself am not demanding a refund because I know just how great this game is lag free... but I very much understand those who do. It's bloody unplayable.

Actually people just buying the game get 1 free month I believe the 2 months was a pre-order thing and the extra two weeks was because of the Feb. 18th incident. And also, I've been playing the game all day, so yeah.


If this was my game, I would BAN this guy just out of principle alone.
I agree.

[wolfmoonstrike]

You know what I love about you Banano? You say you're a hardcore player so Star should edit his post to where it says hardcore players are complaining, but you're not. Then in a fine moment of hypocracy you "fix" Dale's post which basically says that Pandemic tribe is purposely trying to make the game lag/crash/mess up. One Pandemic is not "evil" and we do not want to see this game fail. Does that mean some of us are irritated? Yes! Does that mean we want the game to fail? No!

People vent on forums, some do it more constructively than others but still a lot of times venting comes to a forum.

Oh and for the sake of being on topic;

Just because a Dev think he knows what's wrong doesn't mean he has figured what's wrong to the point where it can be fixed. Star just would like more details. End story.

[Dade512]

Star also isn't owed details. O.o

And believe me cejay...I'd rather be at home playing than at work. =P

[chaosegg]

If this was my game, I would BAN this guy just out of principle alone.

If I was a dev in a game like this, I'd block all celebrity, pop-culture, and well-known fictional character names from being used in character creation to begin with,
but as a player I kind of like the fact I can make a near-complete and total judgement about someone's age, their play style, likely country of origin, other games they likely play, and maturity level...
just from analyzing their name (as well as maybe reading a sentence or two they write).

^This allows me to quickly and easily put people into friend, foe, or neutral/unknown categories on the internet.

[bruisie159]

I just play through the lag, only when it becomes like 1min lag then I stop playing for a few minutes.

Like i said 1 min lag is about 15 mins in for me thats when i relog. it does at least make the 15 mins playing slightly more pleasant

[caldrin]

sadly builds up a lot quicker for me maybe takes 2-3 mins begore i get 1 min lag jsut aint worth it.. saying that it has been getting better a tiny bit haha

[Aethaeryn]

He also said that it will remain a problem until the most lagged player logs off. So if everyone logged off once an hour even would that not help? Mind you after the server reset it got bad quick. . who knows.

[Phazaar]

I think that was a reference to the rollback, that's basically database corruption. It could all boil down to one of the hard drives on there Raid Array(which they should be using) is bad and is causing data corruption, it could be the compression method if one is used, It could be the link between the world server and the database server is maxing at capacity and dropping packets so its resending data(which they should be running GiB locally so this shouldn't be a issue)

If you read the announcement, you'd know that the roll back was because they forgot to turn on saving to the database. They didn't produce a corrupt file or whatever, they just didn't produce a file. That's why the Jookster is now hunting through actions that require an instant backup to the database because that's what must be causing the bottleneck :)

[tredo]

originally posted by Xsyon;

Lag is not being caused simply by the amount of players online, but the more players online the more likely the causes of lag will be triggered. Once these happen, lag will build up over time and alleviate only when the most lagged players log off.


So when you start to see lag... log off. If everyone does this, it will stop the lag from building up!

[tredo]

http://www.xsyon.com/forum/showthread.php/5473-Improve-your-lag-experience

[warmslumbers13]

I started to log off as soon as I see lag already I dont know if it helps but something must be done to allow us to play.. Day 2 and I have only gotten 4 hours in the rest of the time waiting for lag to go down.

[pendergraft]

It wasn't an inclusive statement. He wasn't saying 'every' hardcore player is complaining. His statement is likely quite true. If there is more than one hardcore gamer complaining then the statement is accurate.

My problem with the statement is that it obnoxiously insinuates that he and his clan are "hardcore players," when in fact I don't believe I've ever seen one of their preciously coordinated signature banners without it first being preceded by a long-winded complaint. Not since the Beatles has a bigger band of wankers been assembled.

[millsdo]

In case anyone missed it:

March 16 2011

Hello everyone!

We are currently focused on the lag issues. The server ran with little lag and no rollbacks all night. As more players logged on this morning, lag started to build up again.

I will summarize as best as I can what we've fixed and what we are currently working on.

The lag is not a simple issue as it can be caused by many things. A few weeks ago the main bottleneck was a bandwidth limit. With this removed, we've been tracking and fixing other causes of lag. Although when you are in game during lag, it's definitely frustrating and difficult to see our progress, a lot of progress has been made.

Lag is not being caused simply by the amount of players online, but the more players online the more likely the causes of lag will be triggered. Once these happen, lag will build up over time and alleviate only when the most lagged players log off.

What we are doing is measuring the most critical functions that are causing things to get backed up. Earlier, these were terrain functions, but with these optimized, other functions have become the problem.

With each improved update, we can handle more players before lag is triggered. We will continue to optimize, update and detect the next problem area in the code.

Thanks again for your patience and for all the reports.

[Andro Bourne]

FYI those of us who are in game know that he does NOT know what is causing it, but is working hard (along with all of us, the non-forum-warrior community, giving him feedback) to fix it.

Actually wrong, this morning he logged in the game and explained the problem is the server isn't dumping the action logs and is why the lag gets worse over time, he knows what the problem is and he is currently working on code to create a dumpfile to stop it from happening. It does suck and this is a problem that should have been fixed awhile ago but atleast they know what it is now.


In case anyone missed it:

March 16 2011

Hello everyone!

We are currently focused on the lag issues. The server ran with little lag and no rollbacks all night. As more players logged on this morning, lag started to build up again.

I will summarize as best as I can what we've fixed and what we are currently working on.

The lag is not a simple issue as it can be caused by many things. A few weeks ago the main bottleneck was a bandwidth limit. With this removed, we've been tracking and fixing other causes of lag. Although when you are in game during lag, it's definitely frustrating and difficult to see our progress, a lot of progress has been made.

Lag is not being caused simply by the amount of players online, but the more players online the more likely the causes of lag will be triggered. Once these happen, lag will build up over time and alleviate only when the most lagged players log off.

What we are doing is measuring the most critical functions that are causing things to get backed up. Earlier, these were terrain functions, but with these optimized, other functions have become the problem.

With each improved update, we can handle more players before lag is triggered. We will continue to optimize, update and detect the next problem area in the code.

Thanks again for your patience and for all the reports.

Also incase you missed you... there wasnt lag the night of release either I was up working that night and in the morning was the large rollback.
Most us know what the update say, what is doesn't say is what the problem was.

[Aethaeryn]

DISCLAIMER: I am only refuting these points. I have already gotten my $40 worth IMO but....


Yes we get 2 weeks extra and end of march beginning our 2 montht that we paid for. Keep cool its an indie crew that programming that nice Sandbox game.

Hey Captain Kirk why are u not on ur Spaceship. Ur Crew need his Captain.

The 2 weeks was for the 2 week head start we missed. . not these days. Again, I am not complaining and happy to play. . I don't want extra time.


When you buy an mmo all you buy is the disc or download. They don't HAVE to let you on the server til you pay a monthly fee. It's just kinda custom for most games to give you a free month. However Xsyon was kind enough to give us two, plus time in pre-release plus two weeks extra.

People keep saying this despite the fact that the TOS says you are NOT buying a physical item but the service specifically. Having said that it does go on to say it is provided AS IS. . but I keep hearing this. . we are paying for the service. . good or bad. . not the disk. So we are paying for whatever they decide to give us true. .they were very clear about the fact that the opposite of what you stated is true.

I am not crying. . I love the game. . happy to play in the lag and all that. . but the answers people give to someone crying about it should at least be accurate.

"The Xsyon proprietary Game Client (the "Software") can be obtained as a FREE online download and is required for your usage of the Service. The software is a free download provided “AS IS.”"

"Xsyon (the "Service") is an interactive multiplayer online game world provided by Notorious Games, a Nevada LLC. It is not a product purchase. "


So. . . in fact. .the game was "free" and the $40 was for the "included" (not free) 2 months and early access. Man I am tired and grumpy.

[mgilbrtsn]

As much as this lag sucks, I honestly think there have been significant improvements made in the last day and 1/2. I haven't had my character rolled back much since the great rollback of 15 MAR 2011, I am able to play for longer periods of time before the lag sets in.

Having said that, much more improvement is needed (obviously), and I think the Devs are working very hard to fix it. I have faith that they will, and that within a week or so, it will all be a very bad dream.

When that happens, I will be on other forums extolling the virtues of the game. Until then, i'll keep quiet so that new players don't come in and have an initial bad experience.

[Niburu]

Hmm he wrote about the problems 20 min ago. And he said it is a specific action that causes the lag and they have to find what action it it. I guess if its only deleting dumb files he wouldnt have to minitor and watch it all the time....but hopefully he fixes it soon. so fun to play a real sandbox with building stuff and fight for ressurces

[darkbladed]

It would be freaking fucking awesome of you to fix the lag. Or add a queue to the server. Either way I dont give a shit as long as we can play the game.

''Pre-Order players will have 2 1/2 months of game time starting tomorrow.''

Thank you for an awesome game and you better sort this shit out or give us more free time.

Have you not read the latest updates; and all the updates before that for that matter.
They are working day and night on very little sleep to fix the lag, there are multiple sources of this:
Each time a player uses a "broken function" they cause lag to start brewing (more players quicker lag)

So if Opening Baskets, Picking up Containers, Tribe Invites, and Tribe Expansion (these are all examples not sure if they are broken) all give lag they have to go to each system specifically and fix it.
Each system they fix will reduce lag acruing speed and once they fix all there will be no abnormal lag

This may take a few days or a few weeks; they have uncovered quite a few problems but others may be found once they fix the current batch.
Now if you hate lag so badly then do not log on for lets say 2 weeks; when you come back I am sure itll be much better
Sometimes you just need a break to cool down

[wolfmoonstrike]

My problem with the statement is that it obnoxiously insinuates that he and his clan are "hardcore players," when in fact I don't believe I've ever seen one of their preciously coordinated signature banners without it first being preceded by a long-winded complaint. Not since the Beatles has a bigger band of wankers been assembled.

I think your reading comp sucks; nowhere in there does it insinuate that we are "hardcore". Hell in this day and age of gaming "hardcore" is just another word that has too liberal of a meaning and is way over used. I'm pretty sure what Star mean by "Hardcore" were those that usually don't have anything really bad to say(and play Xsyon quite a bit) are getting grumpy. Also amazing how you can generalize a whole tribe w/o knowing all of its members (that or your eyesight just plain sucks). I get it though, us Pandemics are the bad guys and everybody needs someone to hate.

Good luck though, in game ^^ just try not to let your poor eye sight get the best of you.

[Aethaeryn]

Have you not read the latest updates; and all the updates before that for that matter.
They are working day and night on very little sleep to fix the lag, there are multiple sources of this:
Each time a player uses a "broken function" they cause lag to start brewing (more players quicker lag)

So if Opening Baskets, Picking up Containers, Tribe Invites, and Tribe Expansion (these are all examples not sure if they are broken) all give lag they have to go to each system specifically and fix it.
Each system they fix will reduce lag acruing speed and once they fix all there will be no abnormal lag

This may take a few days or a few weeks; they have uncovered quite a few problems but others may be found once they fix the current batch.
Now if you hate lag so badly then do not log on for lets say 2 weeks; when you come back I am sure itll be much better
Sometimes you just need a break to cool down

I am not going to agree with you just because you made me baskets. . . . but you are right. I have met a lot of people in game and on these forums who are great people . . but when it comes to the game servers. . lag or money everyone gets pretty cranky because they have invested time/money into something they want to see succeed.

I always try to balance out arguments and provide counter points to both haters and fanbois but I should know better after spending so much time on the MO forums.

I am going to do my part now by staying off the forums and in game chat. . . and IRC. . I am such an addict.

[TheDevil]

Laughing at the latest news post saying "a lot of progress has been made." in regards to lag.

Funny how the only time this game has been playable for me was one time in the middle of the night when nobody else was on and then there was a 12hr rollback so nothing was accomplished anyway.

Add queues to the patcher, that would be progress.

[redrazor]

I wonder why everyone has to start their own thread about lag instead of posting on the same "Generic Lag/I hate Xsyon thread"

If there's still Mods in this forum, please merge all of this together.

Thank you.

[TheDevil]

Mine is specifically about the fact that the devs are blatantly lying to customers now.

How long did it take Darkfall to throw a queue together on launch? A day? Then we could all play the game we were paying for.

[l0c0ninja]

but as a player I kind of like the fact I can make a near-complete and total judgement about someone's age, their play style, likely country of origin, other games they likely play, and maturity level...
just from analyzing their name (as well as maybe reading a sentence or two they write).

^This allows me to quickly and easily put people into friend, foe, or neutral/unknown categories on the internet.


My ingame name is Tupac and iv used Tiny. GO! let me know all about me ill give you 40 bucks via paypal if you can be 50% correct.

[Niburu]

Mine is specifically about the fact that the devs are blatantly lying to customers now.

How long did it take Darkfall to throw a queue together on launch? A day? Then we could all play the game we were paying for.

Darkfall had Desyncs and lags for one week. So please stay to the truth. AV beginned to communicate with weekly updates after hellfreeze expansion this was when the game hit nearly the 2 year release mark. The Xsyon Dev's give daily updates and even talk ingame about problems......

[d3m0nd0]

And DF's Rollbacks, Server Crashes, the fact you couldnt even buy a copy for the first 4 weeks without having to wait for 2 minute slots to slam in ur credit card details. Its amazing how quickly some people forget the bad things of previous games.....

[biotek]

Sure the game has problems but apparently they're making progress. Don't forget what was said in the update thread "Once these happen, lag will build up over time and alleviate only when the most lagged players log off."
People hanging around with 3-50k ping aren't helping anything. It's only temporary respite of course. Still, better than sitting around waiting on 2min actions when you could relog in that time and possibly improve performance for a short time.

[darkbladed]

Aeth how goes?
Good to see you on the forum

[jumpshot]

Its amazing how quickly some people forget the bad things of previous games.....

This.

Also, OP shows some serious problems with reading comprehension.

[zephar123]

today has seem overall better then what it was yesterday, I hope they keep progress up though.

[pendergraft]

I'll place the benefit of the doubt in your hands, but regardless, the only pandemic I see going 'round is a little outbreak of the old weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth. Tell me, was there a memo?

[Cyrianna]

My ingame name is Tupac and iv used Tiny. GO! let me know all about me ill give you 40 bucks via paypal if you can be 50% correct.

ooh can i take a stab here? Just cause it would be fun..

My guess is youre a 30-33 year old male, who probably lives in the midwest/midsouth US. You suffer from a superiority complex even though deep inside youre a crying little boy. You have a limited education, probably a high school dropout, with no college education. You are still trying to 'hold on' to your teenager inside, by listening to whats currently classified as 'punk rock' and probably even some heavy metal in there, although you secretly listen to more soft rock, but will never admit to it. You think drugs are still cool, and gather with subserviant friends on weekends to smoke a bowl or 5.

Overall rating - neutral. While a nuisance at times, youre not truly a threat unless in a large mob of already riled up peers.


How'd i do?

[jumpshot]

ooh can i take a stab here? Just cause it would be fun..

My guess is youre a 30-33 year old male, who probably lives in the midwest/midsouth US. You suffer from a superiority complex even though deep inside youre a crying little boy. You have a limited education, probably a high school dropout, with no college education. You are still trying to 'hold on' to your teenager inside, by listening to whats currently classified as 'punk rock' and probably even some heavy metal in there, although you secretly listen to more soft rock, but will never admit to it. You think drugs are still cool, and gather with subserviant friends on weekends to smoke a bowl or 5.

Overall rating - neutral. While a nuisance at times, youre not truly a threat unless in a large mob of already riled up peers.


How'd i do?

Cheater, you can't just go for the generic description of 90% of gamers and pretend like it specifically applies to that guy.

[Cyrianna]

hey, he promised 40$ for a 50% accuracy... so who says i cant use a generic description if it applies? :P

[pendergraft]

He also likes to curl up on his couch with a big bowl of strawberry pudding for rerun marathons of My So Called Life.

[blake378]

damn did all of 781 zone chat get in here somehow? but on topic i dont care about the lag im just glad there arent anymore wipes and im gonna be patient and ride this out and in 2 months when the playtime is over if im not happy ill unsub and come back later because of the potential this game has.

[Chefbc14]

The point is that we've payed for this game that we can't play. If it wasn't ready don't release it. Take guild wars for example.

[markusan]

Unngh.. 15 seconds lag for whatever action you are doing. Picking up 1 leather and sorting it takes one minute roughly. Zzzz... I will be back when I hear the lag is gone.

[Lerxst]

Yeah, without people logged in, the game runs great! It's rather pointless to play a Massive Multiplayer Online game without people around though.

[chaosegg]

My ingame name is Tupac and iv used Tiny. GO! let me know all about me ill give you 40 bucks via paypal if you can be 50% correct.
20 year old male (possibly 23-25, or teenager; hard to tell with the Tupac and Tiny thing). Part Hispanic, living in the southwestern USA. You played DotA, and HoN, and probably still do since you haven't tried League of Legends yet.
You own an xbox 360 and your gaming computer is not your main gaming rig- you mostly browse the internet and listen to music on it.
You like big boobs, fake or not, and are short for your age.

P.S.
This is a joke, completely off the cuff, and I didn't even search/read any of your other forum posts loconinja.

[Deksam]

He also likes to curl up on his couch with a big bowl of strawberry pudding for rerun marathons of My So Called Life.

Wow... my wife has been watching My So Called Life for the past week... she hasn't eaten any strawberry pudding per se, but she has eaten her fair share of oranges.

So.. what I'm saying here is..... that guy might be my Wife...

[Cyrianna]

ok, so a little more info then.. (since apparently my first post was 'too generic')

Your name is David. Your birthday is in September, early, which makes you a Virgo. Also, you like to play Fruit Ninja on your iphone...

Does i win yet?

[maelwydd]

Laughing at the latest news post saying "a lot of progress has been made." in regards to lag.

Funny how the only time this game has been playable for me was one time in the middle of the night when nobody else was on and then there was a 12hr rollback so nothing was accomplished anyway.

Add queues to the patcher, that would be progress.

How do you know what progress has been made?

Progress could mean they have been able to gather a great deal of information from the data capture they have been performing.

And you oh so technical knowledge of EXACTLY what the problem fix is......add queues.

Please save us all!

[mindtrigger]

Laughing at the latest news post saying "a lot of progress has been made." in regards to lag.

Funny how the only time this game has been playable for me was one time in the middle of the night when nobody else was on and then there was a 12hr rollback so nothing was accomplished anyway.

Add queues to the patcher, that would be progress.

Your problem is that you don't have the slightest clue how complex software works, so you sit there from your thrown of ignorance calling people liars when you have zero evidence to base it on. Anyone who has been paying attention can see that things are improving in the game. You need to level up your awareness skill.

[l0c0ninja]

ok, so a little more info then.. (since apparently my first post was 'too generic')

Your name is David. Your birthday is in September, early, which makes you a Virgo. Also, you like to play Fruit Ninja on your iphone...

Does i win yet?

Epic fail. Sorry bro thats google searching. You said you could find out shit by a charicter name and a few sentences . You said where i live and how mature i am. Maybe even what kind of Job or if im in school. Come on bro show off your talents.


20 year old male (possibly 23-25, or teenager; hard to tell with the Tupac and Tiny thing). Part Hispanic, living in the southwestern USA. You played DotA, and HoN, and probably still do since you haven't tried League of Legends yet.
You own an xbox 360 and your gaming computer is not your main gaming rig- you mostly browse the internet and listen to music on it.
You like big boobs, fake or not, and are short for your age.

P.S.
This is a joke, completely off the cuff, and I didn't even search/read any of your other forum posts loconinja.

That is fucking amazing.


ooh can i take a stab here? Just cause it would be fun..

My guess is youre a 30-33 year old male, who probably lives in the midwest/midsouth US. You suffer from a superiority complex even though deep inside youre a crying little boy. You have a limited education, probably a high school dropout, with no college education. You are still trying to 'hold on' to your teenager inside, by listening to whats currently classified as 'punk rock' and probably even some heavy metal in there, although you secretly listen to more soft rock, but will never admit to it. You think drugs are still cool, and gather with subserviant friends on weekends to smoke a bowl or 5.

Overall rating - neutral. While a nuisance at times, youre not truly a threat unless in a large mob of already riled up peers.


How'd i do?

Another spot on this community has powers i tell you

[Cyrianna]

Epic fail. Sorry bro thats google searching. You said you could find out shit by a charicter name and a few sentences . You said where i live and how mature i am. Maybe even what kind of Job or if im in school. Come on bro show off your talents.

I never said that, Chaosegg did. :)

[Gypsy]

Mine is specifically about the fact that the devs are blatantly lying to customers now.

How long did it take Darkfall to throw a queue together on launch? A day? Then we could all play the game we were paying for.

What a joke. You obviously didn't paly at EU launch. The game had horrendous lag for the first week with desync'd mobs. Goblins were impossible to kill, some monsters didn't fight back. People exploited like crazy on these bugs in just the first couple of weeks. Mount kick bug, mount dupe bug, desync bug, wall kick...all in the first 2 weeks. On top of that you would disconnect every 15 min and the servers would shut down without ONE word from the devs. Think before you post nub.

[Saolite]

There have been worse launches, unfortunantly. Hell, the biggest MMO today ( wether we admit it or not ) was a complete failure of a launch. Constant rollbacks, server wipes, and lag were only the tip of the spear.

There were places in the landscape you could fall through the ground and be stuck, being forced to wait on the terrible support of Blizzard or reroll. Trades sometimes only went one way ( aka you gave gold and got nothing in exchange or vice versa ), skills didn't allocate when you distributed them, you could get stuck in instances without being able to get out, your friends and ignore list would occassionally get wiped ( even without an actual server / character wipe ).

Updates? Yeah, no word on those. They simply did them and servers frequently shut down without any word given as to why or what was going on. Some servers got merged early, conflicting names occured.

It was, without a doubt, a nightmare. It took even them two-three months before the major things were fixed, such as the rollbacks and landscape-holes. The lag was reduced to 2-3 second delay at that point. Why? Not sure anyone still, to this day, knows what exactly caused it, other than Blizzard themselves. They didn't talk much back then.


So, going from that line of launch? The only true problematic thing with Xsyon, as of right now, is the lag.

[caldrin]

What a joke. You obviously didn't paly at EU launch. The game had horrendous lag for the first week with desync'd mobs. Goblins were impossible to kill, some monsters didn't fight back. People exploited like crazy on these bugs in just the first couple of weeks. Mount kick bug, mount dupe bug, desync bug, wall kick...all in the first 2 weeks. On top of that you would disconnect every 15 min and the servers would shut down without ONE word from the devs. Think before you post nub.

I cant recall having too many issues... Think the main one was mobs not spawning and of course all the people finding exploits..
Darkfall was one of those games that would ahve done really well to have a months open beta jsut to pick up all the bugs from 1000s of people connecting and playing.. but again AV being an indie company and not having much cash was a major reason they released when they did.. Same as the devs here you can blame them, i guess you get to the ponit where you either release the game or it never comes out.. Sure the lag in this is really getting to me as i want to play but i can wait a while for them to sort it..

I think the biggest fail game launch in the last few years has been MO i could not even call that a game when it was released.... at least with this when there is no lag it orks..

[Kiriath]

actually the lag has improved, specially in primetime.

the game has always been running great in the early morning hours, now its even somewhat playable in primetime.

[caldrin]

actually the lag has improved, specially in primetime.

the game has always been running great in the early morning hours, now its even somewhat playable in primetime.

I hope thats true i logged on about 10 GMT last night and lag was ok for 2 mnis then went crazy to the ponit of being unplayable again... so i quit for the night..

[Plague]

EU morning hours are great time to play, almost no lag. It gets crazy around 18:00 CET, this is when lag eats up 2 minutes per move.

[outfctrl]

Just curious.
I bought the game in feb some time and have yet been able to play more than a half hour or so due to lag, rollbacks, restarts and server shut downs.
You mean to tell me, that for a year they have been working on bugs and LAG and still haven't ironed out the majority of the issues?

I don't know, I guess if this is still evident next month, I believe we may all be in an unplayable game.
I am holding on and hoping this gets resolved. I dont want a refund, because they need all the money they can get.

Even if I don't subscribe after the two months free, at least I helped in the development for a truly unique game. but may come back.

[Mystais]

Just curious.
I bought the game in feb some time and have yet been able to play more than a half hour or so due to lag, rollbacks, restarts and server shut downs.
You mean to tell me, that for a year they have been working on bugs and LAG and still haven't ironed out the majority of the issues?

I don't know, I guess if this is still evident next month, I believe we may all be in an unplayable game.
I am holding on and hoping this gets resolved. I dont want a refund, because they need all the money they can get.

Even if I don't subscribe after the two months free, at least I helped in the development for a truly unique game. but may come back.

Lag was never an issue before Feb 18th. On that date and onward, the player pop exploded and lag, which was previously unheard of, became a major issue. So now they are working on it diligently.

[Dontaze_Mebro]

The numerous people I caught afk macroing yesterday aren't going to help. Do your part and /h to report them, and get them banned ASAP.

[maelwydd]

The numerous people I caught afk macroing yesterday aren't going to help. Do your part and /h to report them, and get them banned ASAP.

^^ agreeeeeee

[Sorakin]

The numerous people I caught afk macroing yesterday aren't going to help. Do your part and /h to report them, and get them banned ASAP.

Or turn off safezones and kill them.

[niccoli00]

Honestly, having the afk macroers online at least keeps the population up while he's trying to figure stuff out.

As far as lag, I've noticed at least two different kinds.

Server lags for everyone, actions get slower, etc. This is what I think most people think they are seeing.

Last night, I tried some combat, after "fighting" (a joke because of lag) I had around 2 min lag. No one else in my tribe had an issue (except the other person with me in this fight). I typed a test, timed it, 1:46. At the same time, right clicked on a bin, to open it. Took 2 mins before the menu popped up. After that, I hit escape and "Exit" and waited. This came faster than expected, so I did a test with chat, which went through immediately.

So two thing can give you lag, one is the server as a whole starts to lag. Another is lag you generate on yourself, in my case, spammy combat.

So relogging will sometimes "fix" the lag because you reset your toon. Sometimes it won't because the server is being shitty.

[outfctrl]

Lag was never an issue before Feb 18th. On that date and onward, the player pop exploded and lag, which was previously unheard of, became a major issue. So now they are working on it diligently.

Ok, thaqt explains it, thank you.