Year wipe or not

[Vadio]

Probably your ask me WTF YOUR ARE Crazy ?

But i think i end very good idea
Take example Tale in Desert Each END year get wipe and restart

Players get feeling new "fresh" and fix old issues , gap between new and old players

Game envolve , somes issues , type overload resourcer , everything have all skills 100 and others
in future maybe become problem to this work

0-50 easy skilling take 40h played
50-60 take 60h played
60-70 take 90h played
70-80 take 130h played
80-90- take 160h played
90-100 take 200h played

Why? to discourage people focus in all aspect and give time to people learn new recipes and discovery new mobs/gun/places/pvp and other stuffs dont related skilling
*maybe Major update( map , Engine( people ask me , how to play this because grapich become outdated in 1 year )

And maybe next year people chossen other main craft/gathering/combat skills
because this to sandbox/discovery/craft based i vote yes to every 1 january server get wipe , take 2-4 day server down and 5 start again , ( server closed maybe day 31 - 01 )

Like add polls :( but dont see option
/Discuss , no flames allowed

[Deacon]

WTF YOUR ARE Crazy ?


really, you think they'd actually do a wipe now....really?


There is nothing to disscuuss...it aint gonna happen.

[Vadio]

Well dont say now , but to future , after game get more solid base , maybe to next year

People see wipe , bad thing , isee to sandbox , new start

[MrDDT]

Well dont say now , but to future , after game get more solid base , maybe to next year

People see wipe , bad thing , isee to sandbox , new start


I wouldnt mind a wipe IF they fixed all the issues, this topic has already been posted before they said they were not going wipe.

Vadio if you are talking about a new start. Why not have a second server option? Or even when new lands open up its almost like a fresh start.

Ive seen ATITD do this, however that's a totally different game. There is no combat at all in that game. The game is made to be wiped after so long. This game is made to progress. Later they plan on even having guns in the game, as new tech comes out.


It doesnt take near 40 hours to level to 50 in most skills in this game. NONE of the crafts take that long.

[VeryWiiTee]

Maybe it doesn't ake you 40hrs..

But the rest of us got real lives as well.. The only thing a wipe would do was pissing off a lot of people.

[Jadzia]

ATITD must be wiped in every 1-2 year and start again because the world has limited size, it never grows by opening new zones like Xsyon does.And the resources are limited too and never replenish...after a while you simply can't get any more iron in the whole world. This restart is one of the factors which keeps the playerbase of ATITD very low. Skill system works very differently there, you buy your skill so don't have to grind for them, it makes losing them way less painful.

[Mactavendish]

Since HP are tied to lvl's gain in this game, I doubt anyone would really accept a character wipe.

Even a reset of craft and skill levels would mean people like ddt would no longer have an advantage nor would they even be able to craft beyond the basics. Well, at least at the first.

Besides, they said they would do what the entire players base wanted. So, no. I sure don;t want it and I doubt it will happen

[Aramanu]

WTF YOUR ARE Crazy ?

[fatboy21007]

as much as i agree with a wipe, i know it wont happen. Personally if skill/staty decay pops up ingame something does need done to get everyone on Equal grounds so id say reset skills points to slapem inline with the new skill system. To bring every to the same level and forcem to choose wat they will do ingame considering their points will now be limited. This also shrinks those never ending hps. I really dont see why you gain more hps just cuz ya know how to kill some1 or make a few tools or find a few cones. But ahh thats just me, to each their own opinion.

[MrDDT]

Since HP are tied to lvl's gain in this game, I doubt anyone would really accept a character wipe.

Even a reset of craft and skill levels would mean people like ddt would no longer have an advantage nor would they even be able to craft beyond the basics.

Besides, they said they would do what the entire players base wanted. So, no. I sure don;t want it and I doubt it will happen


Mac, wiping wouldnt do anything to hurt me. As I would just relevel and be ahead again.

The problem isnt the wipe, its the fact there is no decay, there is no soft caps, and the skill/stat pools are not working. All a wipe would do now is reset everyone's work, the people that are ahead, would still get ahead again. (Assuming they didnt quit)

[Mactavendish]

Yes, Skill caps, skill/stat/hp decay are the real solutions to the issue.

However, with decay you would not be what you are today. At least it is not supposed to be possible.

If after they turn on skill/stat/hp decay and make the skill pools works correctly you still can have high enough HP to take little to no damage from even high level players, many will feel that the system is either broken or being abused some how.

Either way, all this will lead to lots of pissed off player and I feel sure they will move on to other games.

In a game like othello, its experience and knowledge that allows a player to win against another.

Here, atm it is more about HP than anything else. Contests where a single player always wins the rewards, even against 10 other contestants simply because that player has vastly higher HP than any other contestant, does not prove that players skill or ability... its moot he is going to win.

Truly, what is the point of participating in such a "contest" when the outcome is a given?

Its game mechanics that are to blame here. If you want to try and have the highest HP in game that should be strictly up to a player to reach it. Yes you have worked hard for this. And yes others could have devoted them selves to the same man hours you have... in theory.

In practice that's not realistic. Most of us don't sit at our computers playing games for a living like you do. Not your fault, but also should not give you an advantage IF others cannot spend the same amount of time. It's about balancing.

Balance is very important in almost any game played. You don't pit a grand master against a new player in chess do you? The reason is obvious. It is unfair. Unfair to both actually... no challenge to the grand master and a waste of time to the new player as they really wont learn anything from the experience.

The same thing applies here. With no caps, no decay there is NO chance a new player can stand against a player like you. And it surely should not be a stroke to your ego to defeat a player not equal to you, unless you are a bully at heart.

I would think that you would want a challenge not the easy button.

[MrDDT]

You are going off topic of the tread.

Its about wiping not about HP or skilling system. However I think we both agree wiping isnt the answer here.

[Mactavendish]

Not really. Didn't you also mention decay, skill/stat pools being a part of your reason its a bad idea?

A wipe back to base stats and skill levels play into hp and ability to succeed.

Yes I agree that a wipe is a bad idea, for the reasons I stated.

If I was not given a chance to re-distribute the points gained so far from playing I would simply move on to something else.

[MrDDT]

Not really. Didn't you also mention decay, skill/stat pools being a part of your reason its a bad idea?

A wipe back to base stats and skill levels play into hp and ability to succeed.

Yes I agree that a wipe is a bad idea, for the reasons I stated.

If I was not given a chance to re-distribute the points gained so far from playing I would simply move on to something else.

My point is we both agree wipe isnt the option to use to fix the problems. End.

The other topics you are talking about you already have other threads for it, plus there are even other threads talking about that long ago. I would rather have the same topic talked about in 1 thread instead of 3 or 4.

[Deacon]

Why are you still talking about this people?...IT WONT HAPPEN!!!!!! Nuff said.!!!!

[ShadowLegion]

You are going off topic of the tread.

Its about wiping not about HP or skilling system. However I think we both agree wiping isnt the answer here.

I think all of you missed his point, I think he's talking about a wipe every year (every 12 months) ?

[MrDDT]

I think all of you missed his point, I think he's talking about a wipe every year (every 12 months) ?

I answered that pretty clearly here.


I wouldnt mind a wipe IF they fixed all the issues, this topic has already been posted before they said they were not going wipe.

Vadio if you are talking about a new start. Why not have a second server option? Or even when new lands open up its almost like a fresh start.

Ive seen ATITD do this, however that's a totally different game. There is no combat at all in that game. The game is made to be wiped after so long. This game is made to progress. Later they plan on even having guns in the game, as new tech comes out.


It doesnt take near 40 hours to level to 50 in most skills in this game. NONE of the crafts take that long.

[Whorlok]

WIPE....NO!..if this "ABT" is leaving XSYON!

[Deatu]

I would give this thread an absolute no. Wiping at this point would only to be cleaning data ad down time to rid the lands of vacant grass, twigs, logs and baskets that are idle and taking up memory.

[Book]

WIPE....NO!..if this "ABT" is leaving XSYON!

I would not worry. It was already said in global chat, by a dev, some time back that a wipe would not happen. I remember this very clearly, and was not the only one who read it.

Enjoy the game, and if something you read on the forums sounds nuts, that's probably a good sign we don't need to worry about it.

[MrDDT]

I would not worry. It was already said in global chat, by a dev, some time back that a wipe would not happen. I remember this very clearly, and was not the only one who read it.

Enjoy the game, and if something you read on the forums sounds nuts, that's probably a good sign we don't need to worry about it.


I'm not trying to say they should wipe, and I dont think it would be a good idea. However, things change. You yourself have posted that havnt you? Dev might say 1 thing today, but 2 months from now. Things change, and people want something else and next thing you know wipe.

Just look at all the things said before, and how they are being said now.

[Book]

I'm not trying to say they should wipe, and I dont think it would be a good idea. However, things change. You yourself have posted that havnt you? Dev might say 1 thing today, but 2 months from now. Things change, and people want something else and next thing you know wipe.

Just look at all the things said before, and how they are being said now.

Instilling fear and anxiety in the player community based on completely unfounded notions of what may happen serves no positive purpose. There is no "next thing you know wipe." There is only you.

[MrDDT]

Either way, I wanted to warn people that it does happen. Look at totems, they have changed their ideas on that. They have changed it on how stats work. Many things have changed that can be pretty harsh on people.

I doubt they will wipe, but Ive seen changes that have gone against what they have said they wouldnt do, and then they do it without warning.

[Mactavendish]

As is to be expected in any game like this, especially one that tells player from the start that things will change and that if the player base wants something it may just happen.

For a sandbox game that what you should expect.

However, again...

No mention of this idea has been put forth by Jordi, devs, guides, or anyone except this one player.

Chances of this happening? Nil/None/Ain't gonna/Drop the subject :)

[Sevnless]

Personally I don't see what there is to gain from wiping. Theoretically speaking, the top players eventually top out on HP. There's only so many levels to gain. Which means that assuming people have reached this cap, all they have left to grind is a very small amount of stats. Which means that a wipe would only change this situation until the cap is reached again.

So if you're starting today, yes a wipe would improve your relative position against a capped out player. But if you've been playing 4-5 months (in a hypothetical world we'll say it takes 3 months to max out for these players), a wipe would actually set you back after a couple months when these hardcores regrind themselves to "god-dom". In three months they'd be back at "uber" (which they were at when the wipe hit) while you'd be behind wherever you were at 4-5 months.

Beyond which, I'm sure there's players who don't care where the ubers are stat wise. Like me for example. All a wipe would do is set me back in my work. Comparatively doesn't matter to me at all.

Ultimately, you need to look at what a wipe does for the population. Other than the stat scramble, a wipe gives the players a new chance to explore and capture resources and set up new living locations. But the world has a low enough population right now that there's plenty of places to build still. Especially in the more southern regions from what I've heard. Also, resources at the moment aren't terribly competitive. It's not like there's only 10 piles of obsidian to mine from and the big baddies have taken all 10. Heck, that would create some need for an economy even. But it hasn't happened. Some areas are slightly better, some slightly worse, but not enough so that there's any major competition to live in certain spots.

So... end of the day? I don't see any point with a wipe while prelude is still running. Once the game drops the beta stage and relaunches for "realz", sure, then a wipe is fully worthwhile and justified. Right now this is most definitely an incomplete game, it feels incomplete. But it's by far the most promise I've ever seen from a game in this genre (Haven and Hearth, Wurm being the other major competitors for the "Survival MMO" of this crafting based nature in my mind).

Edit: If you want to argue how long it takes to "cap out", all it does is change the length of time for the complainer to be playing for the wipe to be counter productive. So long as the non-uber has been playing more time than the cap out time required by an insane hardcore type, they will lose ground on them in a wipe.

[Vadio]

Wipe i say to others core mechanics , not only because your have more skills to me .

[MrDDT]

Wipe i say to others core mechanics , not only because your have more skills to me .

Can you explain?