Returning - is there a point yet?

[Salvadore]

Are totem areas still safezones?

Is it actually full loot now, or still only partial loot?

Is the revamped combat considered "working"?

Is pvp between players mechanically possible? (lagless, hits register properly, etc)

Is there a difference between weapons/armor, as in has actual values been implemented to see a difference between items besides looks?

If I log in, will I still have my OP pre-order weapon, and will it be much more OP than anything else and INDESTRUCTIBLE?

Do skill values actually factor in on...anything...yet?

Is there anything to REALLY do in this game besides hoard? Gathering for the sake of crafting is not a valid answer here. Crafting for the sake of crafting is not a valid answer here. Building for the sake of building is not a valid answer here.

**Honest answers please, and don't just link me to an update section. I want to hear from the dead canaries like MrDDT that actually still play the game. I'm not interested in my own interpretation of reading the update section. THANKS!

[Drevar]

Totems are still safezones. The option to remove one's own safe zone in exchange for better scavenge loot on your tribelands is pending.

Pouches/containers on your corpse are lootable now. You can loot someone in water. You still only have a limited time to loot before the corpse disappears.

It's working according to the devs and the players that I've heard from.

Everything I've experienced says yes that is all mostly fixed. There is more sliding/phasing issues with animals than other people (due i think to client side prediction). There are multiple hit locations possible, but right now only 2 areas are actually hit and cause armor damage. The next combat pass is supposed to fix this. Parrying works very well, if you are fast enough to do it, hehe.

There was a pass done at armors so there is some difference, but I don't feel it is enough. More tweaks are coming to crafting to make the possible differences more noticable, but when? Soon(TM). Weapons actually have different ranges for being able to hit with.

Yes PO's are still around and indestructable, but they took a nerf to damage. High end crafted weapons surpass them, but they degrade and the damage they do degrades the more damaged they get. Many agree the degradation is not fast enough, though.

Skills and stats directly affect damage. More stats and skills affect total HP (on test). AGI greatly impacts swing speed (on test).

On test the new "quest" system allows a player to create tasks that generate XP for both the questor and creator. Haven't tested this much, but it is essentially still just hoarding only you are getting someone else to do it for you. Walls and gates keep people out, but since everything is pretty much lockable within the tribe it really only affects animals. With aggressive revenants coming (many weeks out, still), walls will be more important. Supposedly, eventually they will be able to loot stuff in your tribe, unlike players. Other than that crafting is still pretty much just crafting and building for its own sake.

There is still no "win" condition and I doubt there will ever be one aside from personal and tribe goals set by players themselves.

[Salvadore]

Pouches/containers on your corpse are lootable now. You can loot someone in water. You still only have a limited time to loot before the corpse disappears.

So, you cannot loot equipped equipment off of people? Just their pouches/containers?


There is still no "win" condition and I doubt there will ever be one aside from personal and tribe goals set by players themselves.

Right on, wasn't looking for an ultimate "win" condition, but more of a reason to log in. If there was a reason for pvp, especially group pvp, this game would be phenomenal. I'm talking resource contesting, land contesting, etc.

Having a real reason to use all that hoarded "stuff", a well designed and impenetrable tribe town, or even a reason to hoard MORE is what I'm looking for. I've already done the initial hoarding (when it was harder) and don't really have a strong desire to hoard just to hoard.

WTB interaction between other players, for any real reason besides acquisition of hoarded things ;]

[GuideRaguel]

So, you cannot loot equipped equipment off of people? Just their pouches/containers?

Yes you can, you can loot Equipped Items and Items in the containers/pouches your victim is carrying.


Right on, wasn't looking for an ultimate "win" condition, but more of a reason to log in. If there was a reason for pvp, especially group pvp, this game would be phenomenal. I'm talking resource contesting, land contesting, etc.

Having a real reason to use all that hoarded "stuff", a well designed and impenetrable tribe town, or even a reason to hoard MORE is what I'm looking for. I've already done the initial hoarding (when it was harder) and don't really have a strong desire to hoard just to hoard.

WTB interaction between other players, for any real reason besides acquisition of hoarded things ;]

Some Mutant creatures are really tough, so tough infact you will probably require a small group to take on.
In an upcoming patch, the bonuses given from Animal/Mutant items will increase the older and stronger they are.

So its a plan to let some creatures get as tough as possible and then group kill them to get the best bonus possible.

[Drevar]

A lot of people want a "reason" to log in, a "reason" to do crafting, or PvP, etc. and yet they never give an example of what "reason" would cause them to want to play.

Leaving the goals and reasons to play up to the developer is what you get in a themepark game. Here you kind of have to have your own reasons, your own goals, and then hope the devs give you all the tools to achieve them in some form. A lot of those tools are a long way off; the few that are in place or coming into place soon are just the first iterations and will still need a lot of development to be complete and mature systems.

[MrDDT]

I want a reason to wear armor, why worry about getting 100 bonecrafting when I dont need armor for anything? I can solo any animal in the game naked.
I want a reason to make better weapons, why worry about 100 weaponcrafting when I have a preorder thats as good or better than other weapons?
I want a reason to fight over resources and areas of the map.
I want animals that are more than 10 per zone so when you go out hunting the world feels alive.
I want a reason to buy something from someone else. Without this economy and most of the skills in the game are pointless.
I want a reason to build walls in my tribal area. You can build and build in this game wondrous cities yet they serve no purpose.
I want a reason to build a house or a campfire.
I want to see bonuses on items and weapons that matter. When someone with 40 skill can make the best weapons in the game there is a serious issue.
I want a reason to have other people in the tribe other than myself. Why would I need someone else in the tribe when I can do everything?
I want a reason to travel around the map for resources or rare items.
I want a reason for contested areas for someone to control.
I want a reason not to be on someone's land and be afraid while in enemy lands.
I want a reason to be afraid while running around the world.
I want a reason to goto another crafter and that crafter say "Hey do you have this? I heard you are good at it and I need that to make this"

[Drevar]

See you list all these reason you want..but what are they really? You are still leaving the open question, "Why?".

Why wear good armor? So you can kill animals without getting mauled. But then animals need to be tougher. And now you are stuck in a circle. Hunt animals to get better armor..to hunt bigger animals..to get better armor. In the end its exactly the same as before: doing something for no other reason than to be able to do more of the same thing. Just one example.

You also want a reason to travel around for resources or control areas that have those resources. Okay, what reason would be satisfactory? What do you want those special resources to do? The only reason I can think of is to be able to craft better stuff...but then why do you want to craft better stuff? To better hunt those animals from before?

You need to give examples of what you want to happen if someone chooses to or not to partake in these game systems.

Personally, I'm more concerned with having reasons for implementing various game systems, like the new skill/stat system Why do we need to be limited in our skills and stats. Are the current set of skills so wonderful and amazing that noone should have them all or at least a large set of them? Being able to craft cloth, grass, and leather armors is such a huge advantage...oh wait, you just said above that armor is useless. So theres 300 points used up on fairly useless skills..I feel so uber.

[MrDDT]

See you list all these reason you want..but what are they really? You are still leaving the open question, "Why?".

Why wear good armor? So you can kill animals without getting mauled. But then animals need to be tougher. And now you are stuck in a circle. Hunt animals to get better armor..to hunt bigger animals..to get better armor. In the end its exactly the same as before: doing something for no other reason than to be able to do more of the same thing. Just one example.



You ever play any other games?

You start out with killing easy stuff (stuff you can do naked), then you level up your skills and you start getting better armor. Now you can do harder stuff, which gives you more skills and better armor.
It is a circle its common sense circle. I dont expect to go kill Mutant Bears with found leather armor sets. Yet, I can do it just fine.

[znaiika]

I want a reason to wear armor, why worry about getting 100 bonecrafting when I dont need armor for anything? I can solo any animal in the game naked.
I want a reason to make better weapons, why worry about 100 weaponcrafting when I have a preorder thats as good or better than other weapons?
I want a reason to fight over resources and areas of the map.
I want animals that are more than 10 per zone so when you go out hunting the world feels alive.
I want a reason to buy something from someone else. Without this economy and most of the skills in the game are pointless.
I want a reason to build walls in my tribal area. You can build and build in this game wondrous cities yet they serve no purpose.
I want a reason to build a house or a campfire.
I want to see bonuses on items and weapons that matter. When someone with 40 skill can make the best weapons in the game there is a serious issue.
I want a reason to have other people in the tribe other than myself. Why would I need someone else in the tribe when I can do everything?
I want a reason to travel around the map for resources or rare items.
I want a reason for contested areas for someone to control.
I want a reason not to be on someone's land and be afraid while in enemy lands.
I want a reason to be afraid while running around the world.
I want a reason to goto another crafter and that crafter say "Hey do you have this? I heard you are good at it and I need that to make this"

I can only say I am sorry.
After playing TERA I can no longer go back to boring, grindish game again.
Have fun playing your single player style MrDDT I guess you deserve that.
And you're right, Xsyon is for "optional people", with these changes.
Xsyon if you fee insulted feel free to ban me and remove both of my accounts.

[Drevar]

There is a God.

[Hodo]

There really isnt a point, unless you give it one. But thats the same in any sandbox game. If you are expecting a pat on the back, or a cookie for every grass basket you make or a big stone copy of the Notra Dame Cathedral then you perhaps are playing the wrong game. But if you want to do it because you feel like it, by all means this may be it for you.

[MrDDT]

There really isnt a point, unless you give it one. But thats the same in any sandbox game. If you are expecting a pat on the back, or a cookie for every grass basket you make or a big stone copy of the Notra Dame Cathedral then you perhaps are playing the wrong game. But if you want to do it because you feel like it, by all means this may be it for you.


With that logic, you can say baskets shouldnt have any use at all. Just because you can make them should be good enough. Forget about the storage you get out of it, you should be happy just because you can make the basket itself not because you need it for something (like storage).

[Salvadore]

I want a reason to wear armor, why worry about getting 100 bonecrafting when I dont need armor for anything? I can solo any animal in the game naked.
I want a reason to make better weapons, why worry about 100 weaponcrafting when I have a preorder thats as good or better than other weapons?
I want a reason to fight over resources and areas of the map.
I want animals that are more than 10 per zone so when you go out hunting the world feels alive.
I want a reason to buy something from someone else. Without this economy and most of the skills in the game are pointless.
I want a reason to build walls in my tribal area. You can build and build in this game wondrous cities yet they serve no purpose.
I want a reason to build a house or a campfire.
I want to see bonuses on items and weapons that matter. When someone with 40 skill can make the best weapons in the game there is a serious issue.
I want a reason to have other people in the tribe other than myself. Why would I need someone else in the tribe when I can do everything?
I want a reason to travel around the map for resources or rare items.
I want a reason for contested areas for someone to control.
I want a reason not to be on someone's land and be afraid while in enemy lands.
I want a reason to be afraid while running around the world.
I want a reason to goto another crafter and that crafter say "Hey do you have this? I heard you are good at it and I need that to make this"

THIS is what I was looking for!

For those that do not seem to grasp the reasons for what DDT is saying...

Every single reason listed would emphasize a player interaction. Player interaction should be a cornerstone of an MMORPG. Having the ability to do EVERYTHING in game by yourself defeats the whole purpose of interacting with anyone else in the game, besides the sake of interacting itself.

This has always been the problem with Xsyon. It is one hell of a single player game but could be an even better multiplayer game.

[Hodo]

With that logic, you can say baskets shouldnt have any use at all. Just because you can make them should be good enough. Forget about the storage you get out of it, you should be happy just because you can make the basket itself not because you need it for something (like storage).

You understand what I mean so dont read to much into it. Its not about the basket being reward enough, but this is a sandbox game if you need someone to hold your hand through every step of the game and reward you for figuring out how to make a basket then perhaps this IS NOT the game for you.

If you want missions or quests for making a basket, or a big to do over killing a hamster, then perhaps you should not be playing a SANDBOX game.

This is what I am saying.

Otherwise I agree with your original statement.

There needs to be more to force interaction, and conflict then just because I feel like it. We need a reason to fight over resources or trade for them. We need a reason to actually wear armour other than not get hurt by a mutant racoon.

[MrDDT]

You understand what I mean so dont read to much into it. Its not about the basket being reward enough, but this is a sandbox game if you need someone to hold your hand through every step of the game and reward you for figuring out how to make a basket then perhaps this IS NOT the game for you.

If you want missions or quests for making a basket, or a big to do over killing a hamster, then perhaps you should not be playing a SANDBOX game.

This is what I am saying.

Otherwise I agree with your original statement.

There needs to be more to force interaction, and conflict then just because I feel like it. We need a reason to fight over resources or trade for them. We need a reason to actually wear armour other than not get hurt by a mutant racoon.


I agree, I dont think we need hand holding, or quests to tell us what to do. But we need reasons to want to do things. Like stat bonuses, or threat of death, or threat of loss of stats or items.

Most games have it so you need a good teamwork, or high skills or weapons to fight harder animals. Here you dont need any of those. So even when you do kill a harder animal with or without items, the reward is "Why?"

Considering, Ive not had my hand held this whole time and look what my tribe and I have done. We have built a wonderful city (for no reason other than looks) we have won events, done pvp, set up events, done contests etc. But its to the point of why worry about skills and stats, armor, and weapons, tools etc. They are not needed higher QL's or skills. You can do it all with low skills low QL. You can also do it all solo, without risk or fear.

[Hodo]

Force interaction? Doing things for reasons other than "I feel like it"? Oh, sure sounds like hand-holding to me. What do you want a big animated Dora the Explorer to cheer you on as you scavenge resources out in the wild?


Who are you?

Anyway, You misunderstand, DDT gets it.

[Salvadore]

I don't want a cookie just for logging in or using my imagination to validate logging in.

I want a risk/reward for every effort I attempt. Notice I put risk first.

I want to have a risk for trying to obtain something, as well as risk losing something that I am fighting over. I also want the reward for winning it...not EVERYONE having the exact same reward for not even doing anything.

What constitutes the value of a challenge that has no risk involved?

[Creator]

I heard there is free cookies in this thread, chocolate chip or oatmeal raisin?

All jokes aside, right now can feel a little bit like limbo as we wait for patch, but after skill patch comes and totem decay I think it will help freshen up things at least for a while, and revenants and the feature of them looting players if it works as planned will bring some interesting new excitement and welcomed challenge to the game.