Game performance still not any good

[treyu]

Hey guys,

I have tried Xsyon again with my free week (which started today). I haven't played since last summer I think. I have to say that performance is still quite bad and that is not acceptable, more if you want this game to succeed now that it is getting better. My PC is running Windows 7 and it is built with a nvidia gtx 285 1gb, 4 gb ram ddr3, cpu intel i5 2,66 ghz. I can run games like TERA, Rift, Mortal Online, FFXIV or Age of Conan with 40-80 fps, all of which have better graphics than Xsyon. In Xsyon, all I get is 10-25 fps. I can't play the game that way, nor even try to see if it is any better. Some friends which also received free week have the same issue. I really hope someday devs focus on optimizing the game engine, this time for good.

[Hodo]

Oddly enough, I have a far worse rig, and I am getting 40-60FPS (locked at 60 on my system). Have you adjusted the settings or are you trying to run it at max?

[banden]

he probably means full settings, I dunno if there are any current performance issues but try turning adv. shadows off, that helped me a lot. :)

[jefferysauto]

This is not to bash anyone but being in the gaming field people think because they have a big/high end rig they think they plug in there computer and bam the game should run perfect, well in reality that does not always happen or can, there is alot of factors so they blame the game, well I used to do the same until I started working in the field, so people need to make sure everything is up to date...on there machine, make sure they adjust settings to there machine to see if there is any change most of the time this does fix the issue.

Shadows Off, and drop the settings to Med rather then the highest setting. Can some of it be on the end of the game sure, but there are so many factors here that it can be there fore on the end of the user.. even if other games do run perfect.

I can run this game on a decent machine perfectly, now my high end some times it does have lower FPS. but if I drop the settings it runs fine.

[Drevar]

Turn off vsync if you are only getting 15-20 fps. You are probably getting more, just not over 60fps or whatever your monitor's refresh rate is. Also, advanced shadows can be turned off. This option offers very little for the huge performance hit they require (this is true in all games.).

[treyu]

Yes, I was expecting these kind of replys. First of all, I have all updated, drivers, settings etc. As I said, other games with better graphics are played at very high fps on my rig. So after that, WHY should I just turn shadows off and then be happy with it? The game, with my rig, SHOULD let me play the game at full or almost full settings with more than decent FPS, but it doesn't. More if you read that I can play games with MUCH better graphics than Xsyon at full settings and get more than 30 fps. I can adapt to the bad performance of the game, of course, and turn all to low till I get 60 fps, but that way I am ignoring the game has performance issues and that is what I am trying to show. No, I won't play the game at low because I want to play with shadows, with hdr, with good textures, and with all the money I did spend on my rig I should be able to do it, if the game doesn't let me do it it is the game and dev's problem, not mine. There are many many many people like me who want to play the game at good settings and they have spent money on their rigs to do so, and when they see the bad performance that is one of the main reasons they quit. Want examples? Vanguard, Age of Conan the first months, Earthrise,etc. Oh, and we are not talking about what will happen if (I think that will not happen in the game actual conditions but well) more people come to the game, how do you think performance will be if now it is like this?

[MrDDT]

I agree with Treyu mostly.

1)I disagree you getting those types of FPS in those games all the time.
2)I agree Xsyon has issues with FPS. Even the best computers have issues with it not allowing high FPS.

I think Treyu is over stating the problem but there is still a problem. It happens with small dev team/funded games.

[Hodo]

Yes, I was expecting these kind of replys. First of all, I have all updated, drivers, settings etc. As I said, other games with better graphics are played at very high fps on my rig. So after that, WHY should I just turn shadows off and then be happy with it? The game, with my rig, SHOULD let me play the game at full or almost full settings with more than decent FPS, but it doesn't. More if you read that I can play games with MUCH better graphics than Xsyon at full settings and get more than 30 fps. I can adapt to the bad performance of the game, of course, and turn all to low till I get 60 fps, but that way I am ignoring the game has performance issues and that is what I am trying to show. No, I won't play the game at low because I want to play with shadows, with hdr, with good textures, and with all the money I did spend on my rig I should be able to do it, if the game doesn't let me do it it is the game and dev's problem, not mine. There are many many many people like me who want to play the game at good settings and they have spent money on their rigs to do so, and when they see the bad performance that is one of the main reasons they quit. Want examples? Vanguard, Age of Conan the first months, Earthrise,etc. Oh, and we are not talking about what will happen if (I think that will not happen in the game actual conditions but well) more people come to the game, how do you think performance will be if now it is like this?


Ok time to pull out my asshole hat.

First off all those games you listed only render at best a few hundred meters around your toon at any given time. Anything beyond that is not rendered by your system. Xsyon on the other hand at max settings renders SEVERAL SQUARE KILOMETERS, for those of you with poor education thats a few miles in any direction. Now you i5 processor is good, but it is not the end all be all to gaming, neither is your GPU. You are running W7 with only 4GB of RAM, HAHAHAHA are you SERRIOUS?! Hell my poor 5 year old rig has 8GB of DDR3 RAM and its a W7/64 system. Oh and dont lie about Mortal Online, because NOBODY got good frame rates in the pile of steaming shat. Hell HAL-9000 would have had a problem with that game.

Now that I have broken you down, time to build you back up.

Turn the game graphics down a notch, Xsyon is coded differently than Skyrim or any of the other offline Sandboxes, or your online server instanced games, like CoD, Tribes Ascend, or the like.

So try listening to people and then play the game a bit, then bitch about it. Dont bitch about it and think your cool.

[Hodo]

Best thread in a long time, thanks guys.

Your welcome

[Fyrex]

Why even come here asking for help if your not even going to try what people are suggesting. I run everything at high and the only thing I have to turn off is Advanced Shadows and I get 60+ FPS, sometimes it drops if there is a large cluster of trees in the distance.

[banden]

So your arguement for coming here and whining about performance and denying to listen to good advice (turning advanced shadows off) is because anything but max settings is not good enough for you? Did I get that right?

[treyu]

Hodo I am not bitching, just showing an issue I find and have found with the game since the beginning (I played several months when the game released and I have checked the game several times since then, and I have been posting performance problems since the first days :). About the 4gb or 8gb ram, I have 8, it was my fault to say I had 4 but it is not really relevant now. I know how other games differ with Xsyon on handling graphics, but they manage to give good performance to their players, letting high end rigs to play at max settings and still showing a beautiful game. It is not a justification to say you get that performance because Xsyon do this or that so you have to buy a NASA computer or turn things down. Xsyon needs to be optimized so that they find a way to show X land mass and give good performance, so that good rigs can play at good/max settings.If shadows are a problem, optimize them. Anything else is just a bit fanboy-thinking: not assuming there is a problem in performance and trying to avoid that fact by telling people to just shut up or play at low settings. If you want to continue defending this issue, I think you don't do ANY favour to the devs and the game. When more people play, build towns, more features are introduced into the game.... the bad performance will be a doom, just like it is now for people like me that try the game again.

Oh, I can show you how I get 30-60fps in Mortal Online anytime you want ;)

[banden]

Gawds...

The difference in quality without advanced shadows is tiny, the FPS you get from turning it off is HUGE. Its not fanboi'ism its common bloody sense...

Tell you what, if I was a dev and had the choice between focusing on optimizing the game engine to allow you to play at absolute max settings when you bloody well know that you can fix your issues by turning off ONE SINGLE SETTING or pushing out more content that the games needs to survive... guess which one Id pick.

Turn it off or leave it on, its your choice. It is NOT the devs problem if you choose to play on settings that makes your fps poo.

[Willowhawk]

Gawds...
Turn it off or leave it on, its your choice. It is NOT the devs problem if you choose to play on settings that makes your fps poo.

Exactly! I couldn't even believe this thread when I read it this morning.

[MrDDT]

My experience with the free time so far:

Logged in and couldn't move. Every step or sound caused an error (step, axe swing, ambient bird noise, etc.). Exited, clicked "Patch" again, and re-entered, then everything was fine... for like 5 minutes. Then All the errors came back.

This is a known issue when you unplug or change soundcard settings. Putting in a headset, or changing some of the sound settings on your computer will cause this, relogging will fix it until you change settings in windows or unplug/change headset/speakers.


Gawds...

The difference in quality without advanced shadows is tiny, the FPS you get from turning it off is HUGE. Its not fanboi'ism its common bloody sense...

Tell you what, if I was a dev and had the choice between focusing on optimizing the game engine to allow you to play at absolute max settings when you bloody well know that you can fix your issues by turning off ONE SINGLE SETTING or pushing out more content that the games needs to survive... guess which one Id pick.

Turn it off or leave it on, its your choice. It is NOT the devs problem if you choose to play on settings that makes your fps poo.

It is a choice when you consider even the best gaming systems have issues with FPS. With a 3k custom built computer, you should be able to run a game at max settings without getting 50FPS.

When you have older computers, you shouldnt have to turn everything off to even make the game playable at 20 or 30fps.

Having said that, sandbox games tend to have issues with FPS. Indy games tend to have issues with FPS. Merge to the 2, and you got it worse. Xsyons not too bad on FPS, but still could be better to help people out with system specs and fun at playing.

[treyu]

Guys I have shadows in High and not advanced. I will check again tomorrow but if you want to beleive the game is great and performance is great, ok. Time will tell if this is a serious issue or not ;)

[Tournus]

It -is- the developers job to make sure the performance is on par. If a high-end rig cannot run the game at max setting and must settle for medium or low, how do you think a low mid-range to low end system will perform? You go to a bank to cash a check and the teller says, "I'm sorry, it'll only be ten minutes, the computer is processing your account information." Would that be okay? No.

Regardless of what is being rendered, how it is being rendered, and what algorithms are going on, acceptable performance is a must for any piece of software. It should be planned for in the development process. If an application is too slow, then a solution must be found. Lowering the settings is not an excuse if you have the proper hardware. Your car that is under warranty starts to make a terrible noise if you accelerate over 50 mph on the highway. You take it to the dealership and they say, "Well, do not go that fast on the highway." Would that be okay? No.

I understand that the team developing Xsyon is small and that they have other things to worry about. Right now the focus is on fixing gameplay. The point to be made here is that Xsyon still runs pretty bad and if they ever want to attempt to draw in others who are on the fence about the game or genre, then the performance must improve. Not everyone has an expensive piece of hardware (even with those who do, a large portion of them have only average framerates). Treyu is not just complaining about his rig. He is bringing up a valid technical problem which is that the performance is Xsyon is shoddy, effecting the potential size of Xsyon's player base, and the enjoyment of its end-users.

This game should not require high-end hardware, even at max settings. I really like this game's concept and wish it the best, but it has performance issues. Plain and simple.

[treyu]

It -is- the developers job to make sure the performance is on par. If a high-end rig cannot run the game at max setting and must settle for medium or low, how do you think a low mid-range to low end system will perform? You go to a bank to cash a check and the teller says, "I'm sorry, it'll only be ten minutes, the computer is processing your account information." Would that be okay? No.

Regardless of what is being rendered, how it is being rendered, and what algorithms are going on, acceptable performance is a must for any piece of software. It should be planned for in the development process. If an application is too slow, then a solution must be found. Lowering the settings is not an excuse if you have the proper hardware. Your car that is under warranty starts to make a terrible noise if you accelerate over 50 mph on the highway. You take it to the dealership and they say, "Well, do not go that fast on the highway." Would that be okay? No.

I understand that the team developing Xsyon is small and that they have other things to worry about. Right now the focus is on fixing gameplay. The point to be made here is that Xsyon still runs pretty bad and if they ever want to attempt to draw in others who are on the fence about the game or genre, then the performance must improve. Not everyone has an expensive piece of hardware (even with those who do, a large portion of them have only average framerates). Treyu is not just complaining about his rig. He is bringing up a valid technical problem which is that the performance is Xsyon is shoddy, effecting the potential size of Xsyon's player base, and the enjoyment of its end-users.

This game should not require high-end hardware, even at max settings. I really like this game's concept and wish it the best, but it has performance issues. Plain and simple.

Thanks god someone understands what I was trying to say (maybe it was my fault, language barrier hehe)

[Willowhawk]

Thanks god someone understands what I was trying to say (maybe it was my fault, language barrier hehe)

Everyone understands what you are saying, we just don't agree with you.

In many cases software developers will develop their software (or game engine) with graphic abilities that are beyond most current systems in anticipation of faster better performing systems. Take for example 64 bit software. Many games were 64 bit enabled long before it was out in anticipation of faster technology. Then they add controls to allow users to curb the graphics to their liking or to their current systems abilities. So saying you should be able to run any game full open is boastful at best, and an assumption that no game will develop graphics faster than YOUR current machine can handle. Sounds more like this is an EGO issue.

In your example of "Better Graphics" You cited Age of Conan. Have you noticed the faded pasty look everything has in AOC? That was their way of toning down the graphics so everyone could play the game. It was my biggest gripe when I first played because it looked like crap. Sure the animations are incredible, the details are incredible but it looks like someone drained all the contrast out. It's a technique most game developers reserve for distant graphics. I would rather keep the crisp graphics and adjust my own setting rather than have Xsyon use these methods to increase fps and make the world look like a pasty ghost world.

They provide graphic adjustments for a reason, try using them.

[MrDDT]

This isnt about toning down the graphics its about doing things to make them run better. Larger teams of coders have time to tweak a lot of these things with no effect on what you see however, they will run smoother.

I dont know why you think "Many games" had 64 bit before it was even out. I believe that's total BS.

[jefferysauto]

It -is- the developers job to make sure the performance is on par. If a high-end rig cannot run the game at max setting and must settle for medium or low, how do you think a low mid-range to low end system will perform? You go to a bank to cash a check and the teller says, "I'm sorry, it'll only be ten minutes, the computer is processing your account information." Would that be okay? No.

Regardless of what is being rendered, how it is being rendered, and what algorithms are going on, acceptable performance is a must for any piece of software. It should be planned for in the development process. If an application is too slow, then a solution must be found. Lowering the settings is not an excuse if you have the proper hardware. Your car that is under warranty starts to make a terrible noise if you accelerate over 50 mph on the highway. You take it to the dealership and they say, "Well, do not go that fast on the highway." Would that be okay? No.

I understand that the team developing Xsyon is small and that they have other things to worry about. Right now the focus is on fixing gameplay. The point to be made here is that Xsyon still runs pretty bad and if they ever want to attempt to draw in others who are on the fence about the game or genre, then the performance must improve. Not everyone has an expensive piece of hardware (even with those who do, a large portion of them have only average framerates). Treyu is not just complaining about his rig. He is bringing up a valid technical problem which is that the performance is Xsyon is shoddy, effecting the potential size of Xsyon's player base, and the enjoyment of its end-users.

This game should not require high-end hardware, even at max settings. I really like this game's concept and wish it the best, but it has performance issues. Plain and simple.




Being an auto mechanic for 17 years before I went to school for game design, if your breaking in a new engine or a brand new car, you shouldn't be going on the free way and going 50-70 miles an hour to break in the engine, so using this is not a good way to show to some people lol...

Anyways I understand if he is having issues, but as far as the Devs go , which I know this part because I'm in the field and build games so when you have different systems and graphics cards to properly configure, and find out who is having the issues, and it could be a small % of people, and how often is it on the users end, they claim its not, and you find out it is the user.. I'm not saying Xsyon is perfect with the performance, but I do see the improvement, if its a game you love you will adjust the settings until they fix it....

Now I have played nearly every P2P MMO on the market, and most of them I end up adjusting settings to get it to run the way I want to, I find that funny how Mortal online saying how great your FPS is in that game because I have 3 machines 2 which are high end and the other it was high end 3 years ago, all of them run badly in that game but run nearly most games flawless after I switch up the settings.

Mortal online good luck even getting that thing to download right with out bugs and issues, I use The Unreal Engine for games, and its not hard to use and that company has no idea what there doing and to pick that engine for a game like Mo was a bad idea by that I can tell that lack the experince and by what I have seen they don't care, the Owner of the game is spoiled brat that has daddy giving him money to try and make a game that he has no idea what he is doing,
Now we have Xsyon we have a team and a leader who tells us every move he makes, when he gets sick , or when he takes a crap, which I wouldn't tell gamers anything because they find anything to bitch about no matter what..

Gamers today find any reason to complain , if it was the perfect game that would complain and give no answer to why they are or advise or replys to what they want, because they just like to whine, I wish for one second gamers would start making even a small scale gamel Pacmanm Mario , what ever when your done , tell me if its perfect and see how many things can and will go wrong..

It gets old listening to people complain, advise , stop whining and just ask for advise on how to fix it, have patience, if you don't check back a year , or months later, because you just annoy the devs with your whining and they need to stay on track on what there doing.

Now if this was Earthrise, I could see you complaining, being a beta tester since Alpa, of ER, MO, and playing Xsyon since we could, and I use these 3 because there Indie's, Xsyon is the best one because the Devs care, they talk to us, and they patch alot, and try, they do not ignore us like Earthrise did, they do not lie to us like Mortal online does.
Is Xsyon perfect again no, but atleast they try and inform us on what is going on and I'm sure Jordi knows there is issues, if you knew the back story of Xsyon, just maybe you would be more understanding, but being a gamer maybe not because some people want it there way or no way, which is another reason, New Devs refuse to make games like Xsyon, because of gamers acting like spoiled brats.

We will continue to see the WOW clones if gamers keep acting the way they do, give Devs just a little of respect.....

/RANT OFF.




By the way I had almost no lag for about 3 hrs of play, I just came back and its been pretty good, bugs very few so far... So I can see the improvements from beta, from release , and now, I can see they have done alot of work on the UI as well which I found to be appealing and a bit more polished then before which is a very good thing.

I see some things that need improving and I know they will do so, and Xsyon will be around I'm sure in years to come because they don't have publisher to worry about or huge teams, so that way they can continue to Develop the game that Jordi wanted to from the get go, I listen to a Podcast that Jordi did awhile back on my frienbs website and I can't wait to see the future plans he discussed during the cast, sounds awesome and by seeing the work they have done so far I'm sure in a years timeor even two we will see the game we all wanted , I know some want it all know but guess what shit happens..... Deal with it..

[joexxxz]

I have no problems with FPS.
My machine is:

Intel CORE i7
16 GB RAM
Video card - GTX 560 1GB GDDR5
Windows 7 64 bit

Game runs smooth :)

[treyu]

Being an auto mechanic for 17 years before I went to school for game design, if your breaking in a new engine or a brand new car, you shouldn't be going on the free way and going 50-70 miles an hour to break in the engine, so using this is not a good way to show to some people lol...

Anyways I understand if he is having issues, but as far as the Devs go , which I know this part because I'm in the field and build games so when you have different systems and graphics cards to properly configure, and find out who is having the issues, and it could be a small % of people, and how often is it on the users end, they claim its not, and you find out it is the user.. I'm not saying Xsyon is perfect with the performance, but I do see the improvement, if its a game you love you will adjust the settings until they fix it....

Now I have played nearly every P2P MMO on the market, and most of them I end up adjusting settings to get it to run the way I want to, I find that funny how Mortal online saying how great your FPS is in that game because I have 3 machines 2 which are high end and the other it was high end 3 years ago, all of them run badly in that game but run nearly most games flawless after I switch up the settings.

Mortal online good luck even getting that thing to download right with out bugs and issues, I use The Unreal Engine for games, and its not hard to use and that company has no idea what there doing and to pick that engine for a game like Mo was a bad idea by that I can tell that lack the experince and by what I have seen they don't care, the Owner of the game is spoiled brat that has daddy giving him money to try and make a game that he has no idea what he is doing,
Now we have Xsyon we have a team and a leader who tells us every move he makes, when he gets sick , or when he takes a crap, which I wouldn't tell gamers anything because they find anything to bitch about no matter what..

Gamers today find any reason to complain , if it was the perfect game that would complain and give no answer to why they are or advise or replys to what they want, because they just like to whine, I wish for one second gamers would start making even a small scale gamel Pacmanm Mario , what ever when your done , tell me if its perfect and see how many things can and will go wrong..

It gets old listening to people complain, advise , stop whining and just ask for advise on how to fix it, have patience, if you don't check back a year , or months later, because you just annoy the devs with your whining and they need to stay on track on what there doing.

Now if this was Earthrise, I could see you complaining, being a beta tester since Alpa, of ER, MO, and playing Xsyon since we could, and I use these 3 because there Indie's, Xsyon is the best one because the Devs care, they talk to us, and they patch alot, and try, they do not ignore us like Earthrise did, they do not lie to us like Mortal online does.
Is Xsyon perfect again no, but atleast they try and inform us on what is going on and I'm sure Jordi knows there is issues, if you knew the back story of Xsyon, just maybe you would be more understanding, but being a gamer maybe not because some people want it there way or no way, which is another reason, New Devs refuse to make games like Xsyon, because of gamers acting like spoiled brats.

We will continue to see the WOW clones if gamers keep acting the way they do, give Devs just a little of respect.....

/RANT OFF.




By the way I had almost no lag for about 3 hrs of play, I just came back and its been pretty good, bugs very few so far... So I can see the improvements from beta, from release , and now, I can see they have done alot of work on the UI as well which I found to be appealing and a bit more polished then before which is a very good thing.

I see some things that need improving and I know they will do so, and Xsyon will be around I'm sure in years to come because they don't have publisher to worry about or huge teams, so that way they can continue to Develop the game that Jordi wanted to from the get go, I listen to a Podcast that Jordi did awhile back on my frienbs website and I can't wait to see the future plans he discussed during the cast, sounds awesome and by seeing the work they have done so far I'm sure in a years timeor even two we will see the game we all wanted , I know some want it all know but guess what shit happens..... Deal with it..

Sorry but your post has NO sense for me in this discussion. I am not saying Xsyon is a bad game, or that Mortal Online is better. Just saying Xsyon still has performance issues while I don't have them in other games with much better graphics overall, and the Devs here should focus a bit on that before more players try the game, nothing more, nothing else. I am not comparing Mortal Online or Earthrise with Xsyon as games, in fact I think Xsyon is a much much better game. No one said Xsyon hasn't improved, all I was talking about was graphic performance. So well, thanks for posting and sharing another fanboy write :D

[Willowhawk]

I think it was this statement that put most of us "Fanboys" off


I can't play the game that way, nor even try to see if it is any better.

This disingenuous rant was not only unfair to the Xsyon developers but also to the community and any potential new players that may not even try the game now. I've been playing Xsyon for a year now and it runs just fine. To say You can't even play it this ways just makes you sound like a spoiled child. Sadly others will see this as a red flag and not even bother trying Xsyon since it has been labeled "Unplayable".

[treyu]

I was talking based on my own personal experience with the game. As I said, I have played it when it released as I was one of the people that pre-ordered the game, played for several months then left and checked lot of times till now. Everytime I returned, the same performance problems was there, sometimes better, sometimes worse, so for me this is one of the factors to make me decide to give a serious new chance to Xsyon or not. Till I see good performance, I won't. It is my decision based on my experience. Some months ago it was the combat, now that it is a bit better is the performance. Once this is fixed, I will need more pvp content.

[Whorlok]

same PC...No Problem with xsyon.

Same PC...No Problems with xsyon

I have no problems with FPS.
My machine is:

Intel CORE i7
16 GB RAM
Video card - GTX 560 1GB GDDR5
Windows 7 64 bit

Game runs smooth :)

[MrDDT]

JoeXXX, and Whorlok what FPS do you get? smooth is relative.

Also can you post a screenshot of your settings unless they are maxxed.

[Hodo]

JoeXXX, and Whorlok what FPS do you get? smooth is relative.

Also can you post a screenshot of your settings unless they are maxxed.

Anything past 25FPS is smooth to the human eye.

[Osirrus]

Anything past 25FPS is smooth to the human eye.

sorry Hodo but that is completely wrong. anything above 18FPS can seem like a fully fluid scene but and its a big but.....

Tests with Air force pilots have shown, that they could identify the plane on a flashed picture that was flashed only for 1/220th of a second.

that is recongnizing an aircraft at 220FPS

i personally can see upto about 80 FPS


the new Hobbit movie is filmed at 48 FPS and some HD programs are filmed upto 60FPS.


im afraid MrDDT is correct. it is completely relative to the individual


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[MrDDT]

Anything past 25FPS is smooth to the human eye.

I would like to see what FPS they are getting. Ive seen people play at 15FPS and say its good. Ive seen people play with 100 FPS and say its bad. Number is better than saying "Oh mine is smooth"

[Hodo]

There is a difference between noticing a flash item or noticing the difference in drop in frames per sec. I highly doubt you would notice the difference between 30fps or 25fps. It would look the same to the average eye. Using USAF Pilots as a sample rate, is a bad sample. That would be like using a Formula 1 driver as a basis for hand eye coordination. Or using a pearl free diver as a basis for holding your breath.

[Willowhawk]

This is my FPS running around our camp and outside of it with advanced and soft shadows on. Everything set to high except I keep water interaction, reflection, refraction and rain refraction off. I don't care for most of those. Looks like rain hitting the lens of a camera. Oh and Bloom is off. I hate bloom.

I run this setting while in camp but if I go hunting I will turn off advanced shadow and my FPS jumps to 30-60. The main reason is the freaking 300 plus count tree cluster Fecks. Around our tribe we have plenty of trees but they are spaced out and managed nicely as would be in the mountains. The FPS is fine here. But when I get near those mass overgrowth of hundreds of trees in a single clump, then the frames drop. As I said before, I would like to see tree growth turned off and let us manage the trees. I know I would do a much better job.

My machine is nothing to boast about. It's an Athlon 64 Dual Core 6000 3ghz, 4gigs of ram, Window 7 64 bit and a GTX260-16 GPU. Does it run perfect? Of course not, but the game is very playable.

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[Osirrus]

Using USAF Pilots as a sample rate, is a bad sample. That would be like using a Formula 1 driver as a basis for hand eye coordination. Or using a pearl free diver as a basis for holding your breath.

thats why i gave 3 samples

1st of all i used the example of the usaf pilots identifying airplanes at 1 in 220 FPS as an extreme example of what is humanly posible.

hobbit - filmed in 48fps .... everyone who watches it notices the difference
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2012-04-25/the-hobbit-preview-clips-shot-at-48-fps-draw-mixed-reactions

most t.v shows are filmed in 60hz thats 60 FPS

all that im saying is it is completely dependant on the individual

go here and tell me you cant tell the difference between 15 - 30 - 60 FPS
http://boallen.com/fps-compare.html

[Willowhawk]

I think this got off track a bit. This isn't about whether the human eye can detect a single frame at 220FPS it's weather the game play is smooth or not. Do the controls respond quick and accurately? And what is the minimum FPS that game play is not compromised. If this post was about eye candy then I think we were all mislead by the OP, "Game performance still not any good"

[MrDDT]

I think this got off track a bit. This isn't about whether the human eye can detect a single frame at 220FPS it's weather the game play is smooth or not. Do the controls respond quick and accurately? And what is the minimum FPS that game play is not compromised. If this post was about eye candy then I think we were all mislead by the OP, "Game performance still not any good"


http://frames-per-second.appspot.com/

Willow goto this site, and check out 20FPS vs 60FPS and tell me you cant see the diff with that ball moving.
That's what its like trying to play with 20FPS and running around. If that's "good" for you great but to me it hurts my eyes and not fun to play with. It's not just about "eye candy" its about having fun and being playable.

FPS has little to do with controls not working, I think you are confusing FPS with system lag or game lag.

You should be playing games at 50+ FPS normally without a problem with maybe drops to 30 FPS. Ive seen times with 550ti GTX SLI card and great other system specs in this game where they drop under 25 to 30. Sure I can turn shadows off, and grass, and trees and all the other stuff, but and likely have 50+ FPS all the time. But I also have a very high end grapchics card system.
The normal player would have to turn all that off to even get 30FPS, clearly you turn it all off and dont even get 25FPS.

[Qwerty]

If that website is correct then I'm confused because at 60 FPS I detect a very slight shuddering effect in the background video which I don't see on the TV which gets more pronounced as I head From 48 to 30 FPS. I sometimes get the same on you tube videos, but not movies or TV so not too sure about this one. Maybe I'm conscientiously looking out for it because it's a test or there is another mechanic in place that is computer related?

[Willowhawk]

FPS has little to do with controls not working, I think you are confusing FPS with system lag or game lag..

Then by you skewed logic, the original post was bullshit since FPS doesn't effect control or game play. With his machine he could easily turn it down and get 60 fps. But he said it's "Not even playable" Which is it DDT? Is it playable or not? Or is this about eye candy?

Yes I get 30 to 60 if I drop the setting down, but even with Adv shadow on I can play the game fine with a benchmark 24fps. But you're right DDT what the Fuck was I thinking this whole last year? I will quit playing now because you and all the other ass hats have convinced me that this game sucks, it's not playable and it's not worth bothering with.

Or I can keep playing, and keep trying to ignore you even though you continue to troll my comments. You called my post Bullshit the other day but I ignored you. I have been ignoring you for a long while even though you keep trolling my comments. Well guess what ass hat, to answer your previous troll, Microsoft announced in 2000 it would be moving to 64 bit architecture. Half life and Unreal Tournament 2004 were designed with32 and 64 bit architecture. Windows releases XP Professional 64 in 2005. Do the math! Stop calling me out on my comments! I have repeatedly said this but you keep trolling my posts. I don't want ANYTHING to do with you so I don't reply to yours. Why can you not do the same?

XSYON IF YOU CANNOT CONTROL YOUR DOG, PLEASE INFORM ME AS I WILL MOVE ON TO ANOTHER GAME WITH DEVELOPERS THAT ACTUALLY CARE! How many people have to drop from the forum and the game before you curb your dog? I don't know who's sisters brothers kid this is, but shut him up or I am gone!

"Arguing with Morons Is like playing chess with a Pigeon; no matter how good you are at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it's victorious"

[Hodo]

1) Chill dude. You're the one getting mad about the words being used in this thread. You KNOW what he means -- the FPS is poor for the graphic quality. That is performance.
2) You know you have had the ability to block users on this forum for months now, right?
3) DDT is not someone's dog, he's a person. That is extremely rude to both DDT and Jordi to call him as such. If you can't deal with disagreements in a civil manner you don't belong on an internet forum. You obviously can't handle that privilege.

I actually do not detect the emotions that you are detecting from that comment. I found it funny but true.

Kind of like,

One who stands on toilet, is said to be high on pot.

[MrDDT]

Then by you skewed logic, the original post was bullshit since FPS doesn't effect control or game play. With his machine he could easily turn it down and get 60 fps. But he said it's "Not even playable" Which is it DDT? Is it playable or not? Or is this about eye candy?

Yes I get 30 to 60 if I drop the setting down, but even with Adv shadow on I can play the game fine with a benchmark 24fps. But you're right DDT what the Fuck was I thinking this whole last year? I will quit playing now because you and all the other ass hats have convinced me that this game sucks, it's not playable and it's not worth bothering with.

Or I can keep playing, and keep trying to ignore you even though you continue to troll my comments. You called my post Bullshit the other day but I ignored you. I have been ignoring you for a long while even though you keep trolling my comments. Well guess what ass hat, to answer your previous troll, Microsoft announced in 2000 it would be moving to 64 bit architecture. Half life and Unreal Tournament 2004 were designed with32 and 64 bit architecture. Windows releases XP Professional 64 in 2005. Do the math! Stop calling me out on my comments! I have repeatedly said this but you keep trolling my posts. I don't want ANYTHING to do with you so I don't reply to yours. Why can you not do the same?

XSYON IF YOU CANNOT CONTROL YOUR DOG, PLEASE INFORM ME AS I WILL MOVE ON TO ANOTHER GAME WITH DEVELOPERS THAT ACTUALLY CARE! How many people have to drop from the forum and the game before you curb your dog? I don't know who's sisters brothers kid this is, but shut him up or I am gone!

"Arguing with Morons Is like playing chess with a Pigeon; no matter how good you are at chess, the pigeon is just going to knock over the pieces, crap on the board, and strut around like it's victorious"


I didnt see anywhere in his post where he said his computer was having problems with "Do the controls respond quick and accurately?" that's not FPS lag bro. But yes, the game does have issues with this, because the game still has lag and desync issues. But that's another topic.

Don't forget that 24 FPS is playable for some others its not. I would say most people think that 15FPS is unplayable or even when you get times where its at 15FPS more than a few seconds. If you are always playing at 24FPS I would say most gamers would be upset by this and think its still playable but just be upset. Maybe even after a while get pissed off enough to quit. 40 to 50 FPS most people would say its good, and playable likely not to get pissed off, only the elite will be upset with not having 50+ FPS all the time when they have good computers.
Some people dont care about playing at 24 FPS. Others do. It could also be why you get wrecked in PVP. Maybe people want to play at 60 FPS so they dont get wrecked and suck really bad in PVP. Just a thought.


About the other post, well because 2 games made theirs with 64 bit before it came out that means MOST games used it huh? Yeah good luck with that. My math says you have no idea what you are talking about. Games dont lead tech mostly, its normally the other way around. How many games you know that support 8 core tech right now? Better yet, how many games do you know that support or will support things that are not even made yet? According to you MOST should.

About the rest of your post, dont get upset man. Just stop posting stuff that isnt true or doesnt make sense. Learn about it first then post.

[Willowhawk]

About the other post, well because 2 games made theirs with 64 bit before it came out that means MOST games used it huh?

About the rest of your post, dont get upset man. Just stop posting stuff that isnt true or doesnt make sense. Learn about it first then post.

I never said "Most games" I said "Many games were 64 bit enabled long before it was out" Again you change words and mince meaning to support your ridiculous arguments and attacks. If I said the sky is blue, you would attack my post sayings it's actually the result of light scattered through the atmosphere and only appears blue.

You see how that worked? I WAS correct in my statement but you argue anyway by changing my words in an attempt to diminish the quantity of my examples. So now I have the option to go find more examples which is a complete waste of my time since the example I gave already was sufficient to address you "Calling my post Bullshit'! Or I can ignore you as I have been doing for a long time, and hope that somehow you will get it and stop attacking everything I post.

As for you Judaires,

1) Chill dude. You're the one getting mad about the words being used in this thread. You KNOW what he means -- the FPS is poor for the graphic quality. That is performance.
2) You know you have had the ability to block users on this forum for months now, right?
3) DDT is not someone's dog, he's a person. That is extremely rude to both DDT and Jordi to call him as such. If you can't deal with disagreements in a civil manner you don't belong on an internet forum. You obviously can't handle that privilege.

1) You have not been on forum since some time in 2010 so you have no idea the crap this moron has dished out, nor how detrimental he is to the forum and game.
2) Blocking people only keeps YOU from seeing their posts leaving you out of discussions or guessing to the content. Why would I throw blinders on myself?
3) Tell that to all of the other people who have also been calling fowl play over the last year in regards to DDT.

And last, this all coming from you? You have not exactly been exemplary in your posts so please save your criticism for someone who might actually listen to you.

[Hodo]

I never said "Most games" I said "Many games were 64 bit enabled long before it was out" Again you change words and mince meaning to support your ridiculous arguments and attacks. If I said the sky is blue, you would attack my post sayings it's actually the result of light scattered through the atmosphere and only appears blue.

Trueth is, the sky is blue because god loves the United States Infantry.



As for you Judaires,


1) You have not been on forum since some time in 2010 so you have no idea the crap this moron has dished out, nor how detrimental he is to the forum and game.
2) Blocking people only keeps YOU from seeing their posts leaving you out of discussions or guessing to the content. Why would I throw blinders on myself?
3) Tell that to all of the other people who have also been calling fowl play over the last year in regards to DDT.

And last, this all coming from you? You have not exactly been exemplary in your posts so please save your criticism for someone who might actually listen to you.

Dont feed the trolls...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX_PfBuyR6E&feature=related

[Willowhawk]

1) You are so clueless. I've been on the forums since Mar 2010 (2 months before your account), which totals to 2 years now. I've been fairly active the entire time, even when I was banned.

http://www.xsyon.com/forum/search.php?searchid=501671&pp=&page=3

12/13/2010 ... 3/29/2012 No posts. I suppose you were using an alt account since you were band? Either way you are in no position to criticize me.

[joexxxz]

Lol its so funny that everyone trying to show to the world that they have some sort of intelligence. See, both people can be right about an object, is that they are looking from different angle :)

[GuideRaguel]

Closed, due to trolling and derailment.