Feedback Request - Carts (Test Server)

[Xsyon]

The Test Server is open for testing an upcoming intermediate patch. This coming patch is primarily intended to resolve issues with carts that have been a burden on the Guide team. In addition, recent minor changes and fixes will be patched.

Once this patch is out, we'll resume on the farming and cooking update.

Cart changes:

Carts are marked ACTIVE and SAFE if the owner uses, opens or has the cart attached.
Carts on tribe land, not ACTIVE for INACTIVE days can be moved by the tribe leader.
Carts on tribe land, not ACTIVE for DESERTED days can be opened and contents taken by the tribe leader.

Carts are additionally marked SAFE if they are on the owner's tribe land.
Carts not on SAFE land and not ACTIVE for ABANDONED days become abandoned.

Carts can only be traded by the cart owner.

Owner can destroy carts.

Currently, for testing only, the time values are set as follows:
INACTIVE = 5 game days
DESERTED = 10 game days
ABANDONED = 10 game days

My proposed values are:

INACTIVE = 1 real day. This will allow tribe leaders to move carts in the way of projects.
DESERTED = 1-3 real months. This will allow tribe leaders to use goods in carts left by inactive tribe members.
ABANDONED = 1 real week. This gives the owner time to reclaim a cart left behind on public or other tribe land.

Please provide feedback on the these time limits and list any additional concerns regarding carts.

Thanks!

[MrDDT]

Few things.
Can't see the status of the carts by just click on the cart.
Leadership can't open baskets inside a cart they have access to with the leadership override. I understand you shouldn't be able to override the cart opening, but the baskets inside should be able to be overridden.
It looks like each cart has to be refreshed each time by the player, and not log in timer. This could be major issues for working with carts on tribal lands. Anyway we can get log in refreshes the cart's on tribal lands timers but not outside tribe lands?

So far I like the changes, other than the things listed.
I think the "INACTIVE" time is a little short, I think 72 hours would be better.
I think that "ABANDONED" time is a little short. I think 2 weeks would be better.
I think that "DESERTED" should be 2 real months.

Any point in time where the carts are completely abandoned and able to be reclaimed?
Are you going to add a use/decay system to carts too so over time they will break down?
What is stopping a tribe leader from moving a cart outside after 1 day?

[Wilson423]

I've been on test server three times today and all carts only list title, no owner names. I cannot access or use any cart on or off tribe land (I didn't try my own cart.). I am not a tribe leader.

Edit: All carts in tribe are named normal. Carts off tribe do not list name / access, only title, including tribe mates carts.

[Azzym]

A much welcome patch.

Like Wilson and DDT I cannot see when a cart is abandoned. It only shows its nameplate and offers 2 choices (Use/Open) when right-clicking on it (this is for a cart on non-tribe land) - none of which is working due to a lack of permissions.

Other people's carts on my tribe land can be taken by me. As soon as I've used it its reported as my cart.

I like the short timeouts suggested by yourself and do not really like the extended times DDT suggested. The sooner the better imo.

[Murk]

ABANDONED = 1 real week. This gives the owner time to reclaim a cart left behind on public or other tribe land.

I'm a little confused by what this means. If I leave my cart on public land and go on vacation for 10 days, log back in... someone else could've claimed my cart and everything in it, right?

What does "on other tribe land" mean? If I leave my cart on someone else's tribe land? (Why would anyone do that? You can't pick it back up, right?)

I'd suggest 2 weeks for this as well. It can't be that unusual for people to go away for 1 week and not play a game...

I'm not in a tribe with people, so nothing else pertains to me.

[ryanargu]

If I leave my cart on public land and go on vacation for 10 days, log back in... someone else could've claimed my cart and everything in it, right?

You can log off with your cart.


What does "on other tribe land" mean? If I leave my cart on someone else's tribe land? (Why would anyone do that? You can't pick it back up, right?)

Usually inactive previous tribe members leave them on tribe lands. You can also pick up a cart on someone's tribe land.

[MrDDT]

I'm a little confused by what this means. If I leave my cart on public land and go on vacation for 10 days, log back in... someone else could've claimed my cart and everything in it, right?

Only if it was left outside of your own tribe lands.



What does "on other tribe land" mean? If I leave my cart on someone else's tribe land? (Why would anyone do that? You can't pick it back up, right?)


It means if you leave your cart on someone's tribe land (not your own) after X time they could open it, or even take it.
Right now they could open it right away, but can't move/take it ever.

[millsdo]

I like the patch though I share a few of DDT's concerns on time.

[Xsyon]

Answers and Notes:
- Carts can be claimed by any player if abandoned (off own tribe land and not accessed for ABANDONED days).
- A tribe leader 'could' take an INACTIVE cart and move it off tribe land. This is a risk. However, I feel this is better than the current solution of having Guides deal with moving carts.
- There won't be a use / decay system with this patch. In the future, I'd like carts to decay so that they need to be repaired to be used.


If I leave my cart on public land and go on vacation for 10 days, log back in... someone else could've claimed my cart and everything in it, right?

Yes, only if your cart is on public land. The goal here is that players should not leave carts on public land for a long period of time as it's causing problems right now that Guides deal with.


What does "on other tribe land" mean? If I leave my cart on someone else's tribe land? (Why would anyone do that? You can't pick it back up, right?)
This can happen for example if you die carrying a cart on another tribe land, or you leave a cart on public land and another player claims that land.

Considering this change:
- Having a setting to allow tribe members of a set rank to move INACTIVE carts, not just the tribe leader. (In case the tribe leader is inactive).

Changes:
- Selected carts now display Days since last Used and Days since last Safe (on tribe land or used).
- Carts that reach the abandoned stage display Abandoned when selected.
- Carts update to active if on tribe land when the owner logs in.
- Players should be able to claim abandoned carts.
- Fixed some permission and lock settings. I was testing improperly as my test accounts had an override turned on.

Time settings are still quick for testing purposes. Most carts on public land should be seen as abandoned now.

Permissions should be correct now. If any other issues are encountered, please let me know. I will do some more internal testing as well.

[MrDDT]

WOW nice work Xsyon, this is great news all around I love it. Put the test server back up so we can break/test it.

P.S.


Considering this change:
- Having a setting to allow tribe members of a set rank to move INACTIVE carts, not just the tribe leader. (In case the tribe leader is inactive).

Can you also do this for baskets on tribe lands again? It used to be this way, and then you changed it. Anyway we can get this turned back on?

P.S.S.

Just got back from the test server and I love the changes so far with carts, very nicely done.

[Wilson423]

Carts seem to be working as planned. I do have a problem with a cart I took ownership of: All baskets except two will open, the two that wont open say they are already open by me.

Extracting seeds doesn't seem to change usage (or give green points) for either Forestry or Foraging. Quality appears to be based off Foraging still.

I think having tribe permissions to be able to move carts is a good idea. If it could be set up like terraforming, building, planting, etc. totem check boxes would be good, though it does not help if you have an in-active tribe leader and no permissions.

I agree with the MrDDT's basket permissions also.

Again, thanks for all your effort.

[MrDDT]

Carts seem to be working as planned. I do have a problem with a cart I took ownership of: All baskets except two will open, the two that wont open say they are already open by me.

Extracting seeds doesn't seem to change usage (or give green points) for either Forestry or Foraging. Quality appears to be based off Foraging still.



I'm getting this opening of baskets issue, some baskets I open that are in a cart that is claimed by me (now after taking the cart from being abandoned) some are giving issues where it says its already open, after I try to open them.


Extracting seeds is still using foraging skill on tree seeds to determine quality but not giving any uses or green points or stat points.

[Xsyon]

Does the issue with baskets being marked as open happen when you first try to open them, or do you click to open, get no response, click to open a second time and it's marked as open?

[Xsyon]

Regarding baskets: Are you asking for baskets to be able to be USED (picked up) or to be OPENED by the tribe leader + anyone with the correct rank setting?

I would like to patch out the current changes as soon as possible (Monday or Tuesday) then consider additional changes to permissions. Permissions are a complicated situation. There is a need to be able to move and use items abandoned by players that no longer are around and don't plan to return. On the other hand, some players leave and return after a short time get frustrated after finding their items missing.

[MrDDT]

Does the issue with baskets being marked as open happen when you first try to open them, or do you click to open, get no response, click to open a second time and it's marked as open?

Click to open, get no response (toon bends down and does the action), then open a second time and it's marked as open.

[MrDDT]

Regarding baskets: Are you asking for baskets to be able to be USED (picked up) or to be OPENED by the tribe leader + anyone with the correct rank setting?

I would like to patch out the current changes as soon as possible (Monday or Tuesday) then consider additional changes to permissions. Permissions are a complicated situation. There is a need to be able to move and use items abandoned by players that no longer are around and don't plan to return. On the other hand, some players leave and return after a short time get frustrated after finding their items missing.


Currently, leaders have permissions to open any item (carts, baskets, buildings) with the override option.
True leaders have the option to delete/pick up baskets without the option for other leaders to do this. I would like the option to have a checkbox to allow other members/ranks access to this, if the leader gives them that option (like the open override).

Really, the basket is worth nothing if you think about it, it's the items in it, which is already the option to override by leaders (not just true leader).

With the change to carts, players would be able to safely store items in carts from true leaders and leaders. It's only baskets on the ground that would be unsafe to leaders/true leaders.

[Azzym]

I'm not 100% sure I understood the timeouts in this case, but I do have other ppl's carts on my tribe land and they've been inactive for 32 gamedays and 3-4 real life days. I can ONLY open them, not move them.

[yozzik]

Same things on the main server.