Xsyon

[DarkShado]

Well I quit this is it I have had enough of this game and
people trolling me like MrDDT

The skill decay system is absolutely idiotic on this game and
totally useless you work hard to get your skills up and then
lose them after all that hard work. All you do is GRIND on
this game and that isn't fun at all and then you end up losing
the skills that you just grinded up that is B.S.

The economy on this game is beyond busted it is non-existent
here and for all your grinding what do you get absolutely nothing
back again. There is absolutely NO one to sell anything to and
there is absolutely no point to crafting other than for your own
personal use.

There is absolutely NO point to this game what so ever and now
I see why the servers are so empty and why there is only a handful
of players.

I am done with the game this is it for me the skill decay is what did
it for me to say enough is enough and that it is time to leave here
I am tired of grinding the same DAMN skill up to 50 and then losing it
back to 20 again only to get a level 60 recipe and then have to grind it
all the way back up to 60 again just to learn a single recipe that is
absolutely idiotic!

There is no point to the game you grind day and night and for what
NOTHING. The items you make you can't even sell and yes I know this
is Prelude but come on why is anyone going to pay $10 a month for this
when all you do is grind and then lose all your skills.

Good job Xsyon you lost another paying customer and yes I was a paying
customer too your game is poorly designed and absolutely horrible.

[Willowhawk]

Perhaps I am missing something here because I don't see how you could get to 50 skill, then lose it and be back to 20 skill in the time you have been playing unless you set the decay on that skill tree to negative. I have 20 skills over 90, many of those at 100 with 4 in the crafting tier alone. It takes a bit of planning but you can have a lot of high level skills if you use the skill locks etc.

And yes the PVP server is all but deserted but for a few players now, but there are plenty of people playing the PVE server. Hopefully with the next patch and the steam release the population on PVP will be back up again. I guess time will tell.

[DarkShado]

No i am not missing anything.. Soon as I level another skill it drops the other one and I leveled up
tool crafting and then I leveled another skill and I already have 2 skills locked that I do NOT
want to lose so then my other skills went DOWN And yes there is a little
square next to all the other skills except the two which I have a + next to.

I was playing on the PVE server and it is just a mess read what I said
in my first post about the economy and everything else.

[MrDDT]

DarkShado, you know you never lose as much as you gain right?

So if you train up a skill say +30 points the most the decay skill will go down is like -10 to -15 points. You can learn ALL skills to 100.

About economy, you simply say there is no one to sell to and it's broken. Which doesnt explain much, because clearly there are people. Having said that, I do believe economy is broken in Xsyon, and I've explained why many times. I do not believe skill decay has much to do with economy being broken, really I think the skill decay is not enough. I think people shouldn't be able to have 100 in all the skills in the game, it would help economy more. But we get people like you that do not understand how skill and economy are related and you ask to break economy even more with the idea of no skill decay.

[DarkShado]

Again MRDDT why are you posting on my threads I mean really?

That obviously isn't true because I am going DOWN as much as I am UP
so obviously again something is very broken with the skill system.

The economy is non-existent on this game there are not enough
people to keep any kind of a live economy on this game.

The skill decay it a horrible system that NEVER works on any game
and it has been tried on multiple games and it has NEVER worked
and this is one of THE most hated thing on this game.

The skill decay and the economy were two separate points.
No one is going to stick around though if they are just going to GRIND
all day and then lose their skill points which they just ground up for hours
again when you need to raise something else up. That is an absolutely
asinine system.

I understand the economy and I have been playing MMOs for many years
so don't insult me by saying that I don't understand how
skills and economy are related. Don't insult me I know more about skills and
economy than you ever will. I find your response to be insulting and rude.

You have been told before NOT to post in my threads get out of here
MrDDT. I don't know who you are but you are nothing but a pain in my ass
who has trolled and stalked me though out various threads now.

[znaiika]

DDT, economy is broken because of "skill decay" for one, I told you before, decay should start after 75 so there is at least a solid point to grind, you don't get supreme quality but you have a good enough skill, in RL people never forger 100% of what they learned, with a short time they quikly recover their skills back "practice".

[Anticules]

That obviously isn't true because I am going DOWN as much as I am UP
so obviously again something is very broken with the skill system.



Ok you are just completely wrong here sir. If you were actually paying attention you would see that although your skills do decay they NEVER decay as much as you gain. MrDDT is completely correct here as is Willowhawk. I have kept careful tabs on my skill points and although i have had to grind skills that have decayed i always come out ahead of where i was before.

I sit here and laugh because first it was "Plz give us a pve server cause i dont wanna get killed!". Then i saw a post about "Plz dont make guts used for fertalizer because i cant kill animals!" Now i see your post "Plz get rid of skill decay!" For the love of god what do you want this game to become?

I think you insult yourself with your lack of knowledge and understanding about how this game and for that fact many other MMO's work.

Oh i forgot about the post i read that pvp needs to be consentual. LMAO

[znaiika]

Anticules? you cry too much your self :)
Game needed to be fun to play not a burden, so people actualy enjoy playing it.

[Anticules]

So by not being a burden you suggest that everything be dumbed down and made easier so that you can have everything you want handed to you on a silver platter? That seems even less fun and counter productive to any trading issues there are already. This forum is full of posts by people wanting this cause they cant do that. If Xsyon continues to pander to these posts it will turn into nothing but a care bear single player game. Maybe he should make a 3rd server for folks like yourself and you can just start out with all your skills maxed.

[Mactavendish]

econ·o·my noun \i-ˈkä-nə-mē, ə-, ē-\
the process or system by which goods and services are produced, sold, and bought in a country or region using agreed upon currency.

The fact is Xsyon has no "economy" as such. It is a total barter system.

Trading in Xsyon goes on everyday, and despite well intentioned players attempting create a monetary system to operate under, the barter system functions quite well.

Instead of always trying to get the game to be in YOUR vision, why not try to cooperate with the vision Jordi has and work what is already here?

[MrDDT]

Mactavendish, Xsyon is no longer a barter only system. Just FYI.

Your findings on what economy is, is also incorrectly being used. As Xsyon has a broken economy due to the fact few people trade.

You can't say that trading is going on in Xsyon everyday, because you don't have the facts for that. You were gone for many months.

Now on the topic of economy, Xsyon's few trades it has, is nothing in the scale of what an MMO normally has it is very poor for many reasons.

znaiika, you can say skill decay is the cause for it all you want, doesnt make it true. You give no reasons as to why.

[znaiika]

Anticules, you clearly can't read, in post #6^^.

DDT, you still ignoring the truce, what you did is you acheved a demand for mats, and a boring grind, now all mats are saved by people because of grind "no trade", and you have no one to trade those mats because everyone need those mats, unless they have extra, take blue prints for example, you need one for your self and if you find another one then you trade, or you keep and create demand.

Trading will happen when you have central store "to sell mats/gear", a sentral bank "to convert currency", and a global trade system, so people know, if they find/made some mats/gear, they would be able to sell their stuff.

You won't have it any other way.

First, lets connect trading posts in to global access.

[Mactavendish]

If you are talking about dollars used on the totem for the "minor" as you put it buff, that's still not use of currency since you can scav dollars. It could just as easily be buttons .. its a resources NOT a currency.

Also you as usual nitpick what you don't want to hear or deflect attention with all inclusive statements, although I see folks trading all the time, and a more accurate way to phrase it is that we have low trading potential but trading does occur.

This game is NEVER going to be what you wanted, I have been around a very long time too, and know your vies and efforts to get Jordi to redesign the game into your vision, which thankfully we are heading away from now. I agree with GuideXaphan that things are SLOWLY improving and should improve more with steam and the tutorial.

Besides all that, you continue to lurk on these forums not to really improve anything or give sound advice, but to spout your personal view of how broken this game is to you... Reality check: there is a community here that loves this game... Think I will continue my dialogs with them ... ( thought you were moving on )

[Arkonick]

Any games economy will be broke when you don't have enough people to make it thrive.
Xsyon took a huge hit from day one with no pve server. Not everyone wanted pvp so many who tried got a bad taste in there mouth. Pvp players had a battle on there hands from day one cause it was a pvp server so they lead out to do what they do and it made a lot of pve players mad. But this is not there fault they was enjoying there game play.

Now the game has suffered and the populations are very low you need to give the game time to heal. This means the economy want become stable and working till we have population to grow this also means development will be slow cause from my understanding Jooky is by him self doing all the work again. Some one Correct me if I'm wrong jooky being alone again. I don't know if you ever coded or tried to do things that really wasn't in your field but it is dam hard to do if you are doing it all your self and it will slow things down to a crawl. Give the game time to heal and time for the populations to grow so economy can grow.

Economy can't grow with a few people it needs more than what we have at this time. As far as skill's decaying this is a good thing. If everyone could do every thing then there would be no reason for trade or a economy. Stick to a select skill set and be a master at that. Over time with a growing fan base the guy can hire more people and help take the load of his back once again so more updates and progression can flow, but as for now we all have to wait for the game to heal.