Regionally scavenged items?

[Dabent]

Are all items found in all scavenge piles? Or do only some parts, say of a cart, fall one place while the rest fall only in another place. If so where can we find this list? Or is this just wonder around blind hoping to find the right pile just by chance?
I do see that higher level items, craftsman adept, fall in higher danger levels. But am I more likely to find item X in pile B or does item X only fall in pile Z?

[MrDDT]

Scavenge piles are not really a factor of what you find, they just increase chance of success. The area determines what you find.
You will see the name of the area, and they have a list of items that can be found in that area.
Scavenge piles are like 8x more likely of success from my records, than on a grass tile.

Foraging is not like this, foraging has a different style of table system.

Higher level recipes are not based on skill or danger levels however, the color of items tiers are like purple vs white items.

Many items are found in many areas, some are in almost all areas, while others are only in a couple areas. Remember AREAS not zones.

[Taraniel]

Scavenge piles are not really a factor of what you find, they just increase chance of success. The area determines what you find.
You will see the name of the area, and they have a list of items that can be found in that area.
Scavenge piles are like 8x more likely of success from my records, than on a grass tile.

Foraging is not like this, foraging has a different style of table system.

Higher level recipes are not based on skill or danger levels however, the color of items tiers are like purple vs white items.

Many items are found in many areas, some are in almost all areas, while others are only in a couple areas. Remember AREAS not zones.

Ok I'm confused. You mean there is a list of items that can be found in specific areas of the map? If I understood you correctly, where can we find that list?

[MrDDT]

I don't have my list anymore, but there is no known list. You have to figure it out through data collection. Do enough scaven and you will find everything on the list over and over. You can even find the % chance to find a type of item. Also you can find the % chance of rarities.

I've done about 100k scavs and I used to track them, but he would change the tables with a new scav patch here or there, and force me to recollect all the data. I no longer play this game anymore, but I don't think the tables have changed in about a year or so.

[Dabent]

So what you are saying is...Yes we have to just wonder aimlessly over scav piles hopping we hit the right one.
To get a reasonable sample size to do what you are saying will take years and years (just to learn I was on the wrong pile). 1000s even 100,000s is not a good sample size to much luck and to many items in this game. Just because I didn't get a certain BP after 1000 hrs of scav does not mean it isn't there. Just means I have bad luck. Maybe?!?!
If that is the case, we have to circle the map in hopes we find the right pile, then that just about does it for me. Map is to big to just guess at what pile holds what. Especially now that that is the way to get the new building parts. Maybe you can be inspired but I am over 13k uses since my last "inspiration" so not going to happen for me that way it seems. So to just wonder aimlessly is not a lot of fun, actually it sucks, grind out the scavenging is part of the game and fun. But to just have to guess where to scav not so much. I do not have to guess to scav in the extremes for adept cart parts I know they are not in the easy ares.
How about a list or even a hint maybe an addition to the wiki? Here is a novel idea put a world trade totem at founders (or anywhere) and we could have an economy and buy/sell these things!

[Pwnuts]

the kind of recipe have nothing to do with the danger lvl. most of the blueprints can be found in 2 or more areas as for what i figured. you can find master wrainwaight parts in low danger zones as much as 5 slot parts in extreme.
same for normal items, therer is some metal misc like saw/knife blades and such which cant be found everywhere.

yes, you can do 20k grabs in a area and can't be sure that this pile wont drop the item you'r looking for.

You had 13k uses since your last recipe and you had reached max? now you have more recipes and it seems as more recipes you miss, than easier you get them. ( i returned with about 350 recipes in leathercraft and had a max of about 1,2k couz the new armors was implemented when i was absent. i learned a recipe every 3-5 crafts in the beginning. slowed down when i was getting closer to the max )
also consider that tribe bonus help on inspiration + (quote wiki) Intelligence (increases inspiration chance for all skills)

i had a list with almost all BPs, locations seems to have changed and i already have a large new list. but honestly i wont share it for 2 reasons: 1st its a lot of work to do it, 2nd i'd kill the rest of economy and avoid trading. you can make a list and see if someone helpson it if you think thats helpful, but prolly it will be changed in the future again, when most of the locations are known.

[thurgond]

With BP's being fairly rare, it takes a long while to see what is available in each area. However, the most commonly traded items are BP's. Even if you mostly scavenge in a handful of area, in a few weeks you will have found what you want from that area. A few more weeks and you will have found duplicates of those patterns and can trade for what you want.

If you want a specific BP, the best way is to ask in chat and here in the forums.

Adjacent areas seem to have types of BP's in their scav tables, eg. scavenger platforms/ramps and pioneer carts in my general area.

Perhaps the biggest factor in determining if you will get an inspire is your ratio of know to max schemes. With the increase in everyone's max arch schemes, there should be more architecture inspires all around now.

[Dabent]

i had a list with almost all BPs, locations seems to have changed and i already have a large new list. but honestly i wont share it for 2 reasons: 1st its a lot of work to do it, 2nd i'd kill the rest of economy and avoid trading. you can make a list and see if someone helpson it if you think thats helpful, but prolly it will be changed in the future again, when most of the locations are known.

I have tried MULTIPLE times to trade with YOU (pnuts)! Every time I ask you say "yeah I got that but I'm going to hold on to until something better comes along." And never even take an OFFER or say what you want. (one time you did then re-niged) This game has NO economy and a worse community. You are part of the problem not the solution Pnuts. If you want players to stick around you try to be kind instead of selfish a-hole.

Why is it so hard for the Dev to say "hey you are more likely to find item X in the south and item Z in the northwest." Why is so hard for fellow players to not be douche bags to each other. Does it kill the game for someone to say hey I found this cart BP in this scrap pile? NO! I still have to go all the way there scrap for hours and hours and most likely not find it. Players will not say where they found a BP for a cart but will give you a cart, for free, if you ask. That is hurting the game! That is giving the game away! Find a BP, but not say where, then just give it away when someone asks, is killing the game. Anytime I ask in chat things are just giving away. Or have an economy to buy sell trade for items.

Between, "I have that" , "figure it out yourself" or acting like 10 year olds I have turned chat off. Sad because I did come here for the multi and massive part of MMO. Now it is a solo game with my one tribe mate.

[MrDDT]

It's not hard for a dev to do that, but as with almost every mmo I've played they allow the players to explore and figure things out and not just tell them every detail about the game.

Have you ever played an MMO where the devs told you every item that drops off every mob in the game? No.

[Dabent]

I'm looking for, say for an example, a knife blade and it is only found in the southeast. Giving me that info is not giving the game away. I still have to 1. believe what you say 2. scav for hours/days/months to find one.
Letting a player know he should be in the south not the north or where ever is just a way to build a community and make friends. This selfish crap of I worked for it so should you is petty and childish. No wonder the population in this game sucks and never increases.

[Kyosa]

This selfish crap of I worked for it so should you is petty and childish. No wonder the population in this game sucks and never increases.

Sry mate, but this is a part of the game, and most games are like that.

In some other mmo's you know the loot tabel and have to kill a mob over and over again,
because the loot you want has a 0,5% drop chance.

It is part of the fun if you go out in the wild and find a rare blueprint,
otherwise ask in global chat if anyone sell it.

[MrDDT]

Skill has no effect on finding a knife blade or a saw blade other than chance of successful scavenging or not. You can pull up a knife blade at 5 skill or 100 skill. It would effect the quality level.

Dabent, knifeblades can be found in at least 20 areas that I know of. Many items are found in many areas. Blueprints are a little less spread out. Saw blades are are in many areas also but not as many as say nails or something like that.

@Dorsie, no idea why you are upset with me but lets leave the name calling out. I'm not playing but I'm still here on the forums because I will come back one day when Xsyon makes the game a game.

[Dabent]

Until you come back, and even then, Mr DDT, most of use do not want to here from you.
And as far as a COMMUNITY telling me were EVERYTHING is, it happens in EVERY MMO!
Just because You say something is in zone XYZ does not make it easy to find. Just because a particular item drops in a specific place does not mean I do not have to work for it.
I was told that the smokehouse BP was found in zones 781-782. I looked and looked for weeks. Went from 80s in scav to 99.2 and nothing!!!!! My tribe mate came over found it 200-300 pulls later. So is it there for some people but not others? Did some one "give the game away" by telling us he thinks that BP was in that zone? NO that person was being helpful. That person was looking to form a trade alliance/friends. It still took weeks to get it.
MrDDT you get called names because you come on here acting like you are more than the developer here (which your not) but some kind of expert on everything. Even if you have never herd of it before you are still an expert on it. Try being a bit more helpful and a little less holier than tho. People might want to listen to you a little more.

[Pwnuts]

Thats pretty rude, you ask for explaination and get a decent answer from a expierenced player, instead of any thanks you just start to offend. its a curse to be successful in a game, and people who didnt reach the same point (yet) are jelous, and act with a really weird behavour. DDT is the one i learned a lot from, and he maybe do not have the same knowledge than the dev, at least about mechanics and calculations, but DDT is the person who tested every single shit with hundrets, maybe thousands of actions to understand the game well. and he knows stuff the dev do not know, since he is not playing the game. and as new players can't know he supported the game a lot to make it what it is now, like many vet players did.

you dont like ddt couz you cant pay his prices. ppl dont like me couz i destroy their prices. there is no way to make it right. well, you have your point and nothing i can say will change it. but there is one point you are not right, a whole bunch of player would appreciate to see ddt back, couz there is way more he does than asking for a high amount of dollars in trade of some blueprints, in this game.




mr ddt , not playing anymore ? but still around and trolling , can't find yourself a bridge ?


isnt it trolling to hide behind a forum name as well S/Y?

[Pwnuts]

I have tried MULTIPLE times to trade with YOU (pnuts)! Every time I ask you say "yeah I got that but I'm going to hold on to until something better comes along." And never even take an OFFER or say what you want. (one time you did then re-niged) This game has NO economy and a worse community. You are part of the problem not the solution Pnuts. If you want players to stick around you try to be kind instead of selfish a-hole.

about this post. i talked to you guys. and i told you i have a spare BP ( smoke house ). you told me you will give me a list of you'r BPs when you are back at home to figure a trade. it never happend. not sure how it works in your place but here, the customer goes to a shop and buy stuff, if he say "i maybe buy it next days" the salesmen wont ring on his door every day and ask if he want to buy it now.

you can have any opinion about me you want, i'm not someone who struggle on that lol. but i'm the one who is willed to trade "everything" for a reachable price, except the stuff you wont have a good use of yet, and which is really hard to get - i even trade this just for prices i consider as fair for the time to gather.

i'm not sure how i'm not kind about trading, you guys even complained that my prices are to low, if thats selfish in your opinoin please go gather 3k rocks for a crappy ramp BP or 1,5k rocks for a 5 slot cart - as other tribes recently asked for.

there is one thing people never prolly understand. i can sell a ( for example ) 5sl cart for 1k dollars if i buy all materials. i can sell a 5sl cart for 50 dollars by gathering all materials + have skill and statgain out of it + i can give a new player a easy one + i get rid of materials i have tons of and there is finally a use for them.

just to make sure we are talking about the same. i always say i have "all" recipes at least once, and i'm willed to trade all spare ones, keep each recipe 1x for myself in case i need to unlearn anything and get it back after.

[methos]

Until you come back, and even then, Mr DDT, most of use do not want to here from you.
And as far as a COMMUNITY telling me were EVERYTHING is, it happens in EVERY MMO!
Just because You say something is in zone XYZ does not make it easy to find. Just because a particular item drops in a specific place does not mean I do not have to work for it.
I was told that the smokehouse BP was found in zones 781-782. I looked and looked for weeks. Went from 80s in scav to 99.2 and nothing!!!!! My tribe mate came over found it 200-300 pulls later. So is it there for some people but not others? Did some one "give the game away" by telling us he thinks that BP was in that zone? NO that person was being helpful. That person was looking to form a trade alliance/friends. It still took weeks to get it.
MrDDT you get called names because you come on here acting like you are more than the developer here (which your not) but some kind of expert on everything. Even if you have never herd of it before you are still an expert on it. Try being a bit more helpful and a little less holier than tho. People might want to listen to you a little more.

Wow ! you know the mind of most players when you "claim" that most of them dont want MrDDT's input on the forum.
Well you dont speak for me in that regard.

Please refrain from name calling as noone except you has done that.

SARK

[Dabent]

This thread is a perfect example of why this game has no community/economy. No one is willing to help others. No one willing to tell others how/where to do/find things. No vets helping progress of the game (to busy boasting about their progress) Until this game has a few people willing to help others along most people will come, pay for game play one month, and then leave.
(that's what I have seen so far, hope I am wrong)
To start a thread on where to find things seemed like a good idea. But a few players say it is giving the game away to let go of this classified information. Like I said I found a BP, that a helpful vet told me where to find, it took weeks and weeks of scav 5-10 hours a day to get it. That is not giving the game away, it is helpful. Any other rare BPs I find I will post where I found them. Would be nice if we could start a list of some of these things. I have been told that all items are everywhere but you have a better chance of finding somethings some places but not others.

If you think a forum thread with this info is giving to much info away...Do not read the thread!

Smokehouse 781-782
Scavenger Board roof 8X8 781
Scavenger Board Roof 740-741
Pioneer Log gate 783
Pioneer Water barrel 699

[Pwnuts]

its not about sharing informations mate, but imo there is a reason why the lacations changed. people shouldnt know them and scavenge everywhere. its like the dev give you a list where you can get anything you need. if there are lists going around it will be changed again. and yes, my list hold any kind of bp's not just rare ones, its a lot of effort to get these locations and thats a reason why i'm not willed to hand it out. i told you a single location for one recipe and that was fine for me.

about help and sell. you pretty much know that i answer every question of other players in global (even local) chat to help people out. i also tell pretty often in global if someone wants to trade for anything he can feel free to ask me. i report every bug i can figure, doesnt matter if its absuable or not to support the game and give new players a better chance to stay in the game which has at least less issues. if you see a problem between you and me, thats one point. but please be fair about what you telling. i tired to build a economy many times in the game, i even did when i returned. but its not working if people do not want to trade. so in this case i made a economy working for me, and fair to use for everyone else. if people do not want it, they dont need to join, but i wont give a damn about if they are left behind couz they can not trade their overpriced stuff anymore.

[MrDDT]

Yeah I do wish more people would update the wiki, and stop expecting everything else to do everything for them. Considering how much you dislike me, you would think being that I'm the most vocal on here on giving out info that you wouldn't feel that way about me. I've tried explaining how things work and many many things in the game. I posted an depth crafting system on how the game works. I think you and I differ on how or what to give info for people. I believe that part of the wonder in the game is figuring SOME things out for yourself.

If I just tell you every trick and where every item is in the game, or how to get it. I think you lose a lot of the experience for yourself. It would be like reading spoilers to a movie before watching the movie.
Now don't get me wrong, I think many simple things like how to do basic things is important because Xsyon doesn't explain things well and people get upset and frustrated.

I think you should read though a few of my posts and see just how much information I've given about the game.
I try not to piss people off, but many times it comes out where its I'm a know it all. Yet all I'm trying to do is correct misinformation.

Like many people will say something like "Saw blades only spawn on a few scav piles" which is not correct at all. They are not only just not on scav piles but they are in many areas.

People also link rare items with "it's not fun" when really rare items is what drives economy with need of items. Having said that some items shouldn't be rare. Like nails are a commonly used item making them rare would remove a lot of fun from the game.

[Dabent]

There is an economy? Where is it hidden? I can't seem to find it....

[Dabent]

I have never played any MMO (until now) where everyone was so hesitant to say where things are. Just because a boss in some game drops an item does not mean that telling me that boss drops that item or which cave that boss is in is giving the game away. I still have have to kill that boss and hope to get that .05% drop. Scavenging is the same way. I might know a place a bit better for one thing but it still has a .05% drop rate. I still have to spend hours to MAYBE find it.

This all would have not been a lesson in futility of you guys just said form the start that there is no loot tables. And all loot moves around from time to time. BUT NO! They wanted to brag about there "list" and how they are not sharing it.
So either there is a list and a few vets are lying about it or there is no list and no need for this entire thread.

[MrDDT]

I don't think I was bragging about a list at all. I was saying that players themselves make the list not a list out in the world given by the devs.

I've yet to see you list any game where they list all the items in the world by the devs. The thing about is that Jordi has changed the tables and any list could be outdated quickly.

Also if you think that players/clans do not keep their own information without releasing things to the world on tactics and game data you must not have played many games.

There is nothing stopping you from making a wiki page and getting it going. I wouldn't mind helping if you want with some information. I just hate starting pages. I've updated the wiki on sooo much information.

[Pwnuts]

I will never add infos to the wiki couz so many things in this game changed and its not worth the effort imo. even the current wiki hold very old informations which are not correct anymore.

about your question, there is a list and long time back it was able to ask a guide if the junkpile next to your tribe is dropping sawblades or not, and he would tell you. but he would tell just just 1-2 times infos about it. so the real lists are not handed out to players, the lists i'm talking about are players knowledge only - stuff they figured and stuff they wrote down.
i cant confirm to told someone anytime that loot moves around, for what i know the locations changed when i was absent "once".

[Taraniel]

Wow ! you know the mind of most players when you "claim" that most of them dont want MrDDT's input on the forum.
Well you dont speak for me in that regard.

Please refrain from name calling as noone except you has done that.

SARK

I ditto that. Although MrDDT may not agree with me most of the time, I have learned a lot from him and I for one appreciate his input. You are welcome to keep posting MrDDT I always like to hear what you have to say :D

[ShidoVicious]

x: 651 y754 zone 979

So far counting what i stored a lot of is Metal goods: Screws, nail,bolts, sheets, axe wedges, zippers, metal poles med-lrg, Metal Sheets sm - large, Leather recipes so far stacked 6-7 of them prob more had to throw some out, ranging from 35-LvL 50

Plastic- Poles, blocks roughly 1/6 less then metal i find.

Leather - think roughly 200-300 stacked and scraps also feathers a bit too 60-100 within 8 hours

Very large scrap yard i want to turn it into and keep it like that, if you find Riozenpaku that will be me if your scavenging.