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Dear Xsyon devs.... I would give my firstborn, if you would just add level up and down to terraforming!! How can you possible forget this...
Spent 2 hours terraformin the same 5x5 area now and trying to level it out, but this f****** sh*t is way to random to work with !
My character can raise and lower ground. Do you just have a "terraform randomly" button?
No shit sherlock... Yeah i can raise and lower all frickin day.. I mean LEVEL the ground!
I have a level button... I think you're just doing it wrong.
This thread is epic win.
i also have a level button. there's only 5 possible options. look harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by XeoStyle
Lrn2terraform, kthxbaiQuote:
Originally Posted by XeoStyle
Instead of being super clever maybe one of you clowns could elaborate on how the level function actually works? I know crazy idea, considering that only 1 of you actually read the thread before replying.
level land function works for me.. it lvls out to the height you are standing on. So say you build a wall out of dirt and its not even lvl at the top you stand on one bit click lvl land and it flattens it out a bit.
But it is hard to work with itscertainly to the easiest thing to do but the tools are all there in game..
the OP was complaining that a feature that already exists needs to be added to the game. instead of being super lazy maybe he could have spent 10 minutes in game to figure out how it works. This isn't rocket science here.Quote:
Originally Posted by predator_nova
He says he spent 2 hours trying to figure it out... Maybe he should take up scavenging?
I can level the ground. It took about a week in beta to learn the tricks to doing it. It is still tedious and time consuming tho, so no easy button here. It's also way too much hassle trying to explain in forums how to do it, I dont even like trying to tell guildies how. Guess I'm not good at teaching.
Leveling up 0.10 is much easier than leveling down 0.10. I agree that having two separate buttons for leveling would help ease the tedium.
Level function does work but not as well as it should. I've gotten to a point where I am pretty proficient at leveling but I have still run into some cases where there are those two tiles at 513.00 and I want the ground at 512.90 and for some reason despite doing everything the way I normally do it, the 13.00 was spreading like a plague until I lowered terrain in the center of it and used it to fill in the hole, finally leveling out the terrain. It still took a good 10-20 minutes of fighting the level feature to do what should have been a 10 second job.
The level feature isn't realistic, its not done well, its just frustrating. When I go out and I am trying to level a piece of ground I know before I start whether that ground will go up or down. I don't remove dirt when I want the ground raised or add it when I want it lowered.
Given this is the second game I have ever played with terraforming, and it is an immensely popular feature in both (And actually works perfectly in other), re-working terraforming to be a little more user friendly feature needs to be one of this games top priorities if it wants to retain many of the players who come to check it out.
It could do this with a level up/level down feature as suggested. It could do it by allowing the user to set a target level that the game will favor when trying to level land. It could even change dirt so what is currently 1 dirt is now 5 dirt and allow a slightly raise, or slightly lower feature that will raise or lower the land to the nearest .10 altitude.
I don't care how its done, if I was running Xsyon my current priorities would be:
1. Lag issues
2. Major bugs like the inventory window bugs
3. Making terraforming more realistic/less rage inducing
Perhaps all the lag is being caused by people who dont know how to terraform and are therefore lagging out the server with them repeatedly spamming the leveling command. personally i dont understand why its so hard for them to code a simple, make X be the level im standing on. around me. no averaging no nothing else, if your standing on the edge of something it shouldn't magically make more dirt to bring the edge up it should just simply level everything around you with a 0.1-.09 difference maybe
Terraforming works great for me, but you have to know/learn how to do it.
I won't tell you how to do it becouse it would be wall of text(I'm lazy) and you probably wouldn't understand with my english skills.
Good to know that it actually takes real SKILL to level ground using terraforming.
At least there's some things in game that don't require a single button click...
People probably wouldn't give smartass answers if other people didn't refer to things they don't understand as "broke."
There is another thread on this, but I'll post here also. The problem is the resolution the game works at. When you raise/lower you move whole units at a time. But terrain elevation shows to .01 and likely works at an even finer level. So you can't imply raise/lower a spot to make it match other areas like you can in Wurm. So it will divided up the dirt for the current tile to .01 or what ever elevation to even it out which will hardly ever match the surounding area. Some times the average is higher and some times it's lower. The fix is fairly simple.
First, the amount of dirt moved in raise/lower, did not always seem the same. Maybe that was just where I was working, maybe it was a bug. But it should move the same amount each time.
Decrease the weight of dirt by 1/10 and increase that max stack size x10. Basicly increase the resolution of what you are doing.
Assuming elevation is also in meters (though at times it seems like maybe it's not) have raise/lower move 1 at a time (10 dirt). This would allow normal size changes without increasing the work to do it 10 fold.
Add a sprinkle/trim option that would move only .1 dirt at a time for finer control over work. .1m would be about 3.94"
When the terraforming window is open, turn on a grid that show the tile edges for 5-10m around the char. This will make it much easyer to see at a glance where work is needed. Some textures make it really hard to see, such as snow.
When flattening, it might be good if it can auto add/remove 1-2 dirt from players inventory to flatten. But as this game does elevation differently then wurm, I am now inclined to not have it add/remove dirt from the player but work with what it has. With a grid showing, and an option to drop smaller amounts of dirt, it would be a simple mater of dropping a small amount and have it spread that allowing leveling to better then .1m. For example, if the tile is .05 lower then the next tile, sprinkle 2 dirt (which would raise that corner .2) and reflatten. Those 2 dirt would be divided up and raise the 4 corners .05.
Oh, another problem is that here when you raise/lower, you move the whole tile, all 4 corners. This makes it hard to do nice ramps. Would be better if raise/lower worked on corners instead of whole tiles and only have flatten work on whole tiles.
as someone who has committed an extensive amount of time in the last few days to digging and building land formations, I can tell you that it isn't broken, it works, but requires a bit of patiences to get right. Just remember you're not dealing with blocks or tiles of land, but are dealing with polygons, and when you terraform you're adjusting a polygonnal mesh.
and while there isnt a 'level up' or 'level down' command, you can determine which you want to do by where you do it. The leveling action brings the level of ground you're on, to the level around it....if you are on high ground, it will lower it. If you're on low ground, it will raise it. If you're on a 'soft' edge, it will collapse it.
But it really just takes patience.
The point is, it doesn't take skill to level some land and make a few rows of dirt in real life for a garden or farm. I should know, I worked on a farm all summer during high school. What it takes is patience, but the ground ALWAYS does what you want it to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by jokhul
Having level work as it does, is not only frustrating and unrealistic but it limits what you can do. What is the solution? Well my homestead is one of the only homesteads I have seen yet where much effort is going into making things perfectly level. Most of them are randomly slapped down with this kind of structure here, that kind of structure there, and ground that is lucky to be level anywhere other than where they move their building plans from.
Perhaps the reason this frustrates me so much, and is such a non-issue for so many people is they aren't making everything in their base, at, or directly raised in .50 units from, a uniform elevation. I've gotten it down where I can move pretty rapidly putting things at the uniform elevation but it is still "Ok, I have the ground working perfectly in my favor because I have set up the perfect conditions for leveling. Please don't throw me a curveball or make sure I don't stand a tiny bit to the wrong direction while leveling or it will require a big drawn out fix."
On Wurm I had a 13 by 13 entirely level piece of land for a farm alone. I looked at it and saw a challenge, and it was fun chopping down the trees moving the logs, and leveling that land. Here I am working with a much smaller base. The building the walls looks fun. The leveling doesn't. It just looks frustrating. Something I have to do in order to get a nice looking base to build the rest of my fort up from.
Leveling terrain is a bit of a pain. I know how to do it, but even so, its pain. But I'm ok with it. One suggestion I would have though, is that as your terraform skill goes up, make it so that your level area increases. It doesn't have to be a great amount so that you could terraform something the size of NYC, but every lit bit would help.
Right but the thing is most players will level thinking, i want to make the surrounding area the level im standing on.
what about when your leveling on a slope.
