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I am def against anything being bound as this is a major downfall so let us again follow the steps of the best there ever was but a little more Hardcore.
Ultima Online had a 5 min timer on Char Reroll.
Xsyon could implement a 24 hour timer on Char Re-roll.
This will deter most out there as they will loose substantial Game time.
Opinions?
bound tools that decay faster imo
I'm not a huge fan of people rerolling a ton of times, but I voted to keep it the way it is.
The starter tools we get won't have much trade value, especially if decay comes in, but finding yourself lacking one particular tool can completely halt your progress. If someone needs to reroll a few times to get a few craft tools and a fishing pole, I can't really speak out against it. I don't think it's economy-breaking, and binding them or having super-long timers on rerolls is unnecessarily punitive to certain players. Larger tribes will be fine, as people can trade or exchange, but solos and smaller guilds could find their progress halted for lack of a saw or something.
I'm definitely against bound items, so at least we agree there.
Jookie has stated that there will be a timer on character deletion / recreation. It's just not activated atm due to more impending issues. I think the timer discussed was in the hour range or so. That should deter someone from rerolling multiple times just to stockpile tools.
Ah, that's disastrous then...I was thinking only in terms of starter tools, but as an architect, if you don't get a certain recipe at the beginning, you flat out aren't advancing. To the point that you're better off waiting the hour and trying again than continuing along with a gimped character.
Ahh....i should have done more research....Appologies for not seeing that Jookie had stated this. Well i suppose there will not be many issues or people complaing once this is implemented.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom316
The ability for people to reroll until they stock pile tools, or get what they want, is one of the only things that I genuinely dislike about this game.
As for the above...looks like there are a few probs with it being implemented so we will have time to get a few char rerolls in before implementation? That would not be so bad then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
Its hard to find anything on these boards TBH. So alot of information gets lost along the way. And as he's said things do and will change. So who knows, if theres enough people that dont want it to be that way then it might not happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chevron
But if there isnt some type of re-roll timer then something else does need to come along. I dont exactly like seeing items made character bound but there has to be a way so that rerolling characters doesnt provide a benefit tool wise over someone that doesnt.
How exactly does having a few starter tools as bound(wow did not invent this concept btw) negatively effect the game world? Clear answer please. Right now, all it will do is prevent the reroll exploit. This is the easiest solution to the problem. Putting a timer on re-roll only hinders people who may have made a mistake, or maybe they didn't like what they chose etc.
A re-roll timer will never happen. You start punishing people for making character creation mistakes, you start losing money. Won't happen.Quote:
Putting a timer on re-roll only hinders people who may have made a mistake, or maybe they didn't like what they chose etc.
Sorry, very bad idea. Just imagine the new player that comes into the game, gets ganked 5 minutes later losing his pants, tools and weapons. And you want to tell him he has to wait 24 hours before he can have another chance to play the game he just bought?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chevron
My opinion depends on how it is bound.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenmaster13
If the tool quickly degrade and is broken after a few days of use then it would be managable i suppose.
If the tool last forever....then there are varying issues.
Also it creates a precedant in terms of in the future, players requesting item insurance or more items that could be bound based on etc.... etc....
Also...how does somone make a char creation mistake? It doesn't seem likley that you picked the wrong skill....
Why don't we all start with all the tools? Why aren't we given the option to choose our starting recipes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebus
It seems to me the answer to those two questions is that the game is designed to make starting a little random, to provide players with a bit of encouragement to be interdependent and creative. I don't think it's because we are supposed to reroll a bunch of times. Maybe it's too random, maybe we need a little more choice. That's valid opinion, but saying we should be expected to reroll to exploit the starting gear is silly.
Of course starting tools (like all items in game) should break after some time/usage. Putting "that last forever" on that poll option just confuses the issue. I think starter tools should be particularly fragile, especially if they are bound. Bound starting gear is much more appealing to me than a character creation timer. There are other reasons that someone may want to reroll (someone might choose to play a perma-death style for example).
I guess my utlimate suggestion would be that we can choose a bit more about our character to start with and then our starting equipment is bound and fragile. Right now certain combinations of skills give a smaller number of starting items. Hiding, scavenging, foraging all mean that player has less items than if they chose logging or fishing for example.
Why not allow players to choose 7 pieces of (bound and fragile) starting gear and two recipes in their chosen crafting specialty? That removes the possibility and necessity of rerolling to exploit starting gear in one swoop and makes all combinations of skill choice equal and viable.
Agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Larsa
This sounds like a good idea to me as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by FPrime
That actually sounds like a pretty good idea. Whether they can/will code it is another thing, but at first glance I like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by FPrime
Bound = Bad
1. It's not realistic
2. I can't let my tribe mates or friends borrow them
Timer = Not the best idea
1. What if you aren't happy with something? Better to re-roll sooner than later.
My solution:
Starter tools flagged as "starter" that delete (Or degraded very very quickly) when the original owner's character is deleted. It doesn't matter where the tool is or who has it, if the character goes, so does the tool.
That solution works too. It's a good way to make the starter tools tradeable and still not exploitable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belight
You poll is flawed and your "solution" isn't yours... see the other threads with way more posts talking about this issue...
I've suggested making bound player tools that have 5-10 uses thats enough to get any new character on his feet and started in the game without it being a negative impact to pvpers.
this topic isn't worth discussing any longer.. I have solved the problem.
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Originally Posted by Larsa
He can play with no pants. I want someone who cries off at the thought of losing some basic garbage tools to simply not log in again honestly. Those types never make it in FFA games.
So you want less people to play the game. You are briliant in your dullness. You need to play a single player game. That way, you can gank and grief, and no one will be upset about it, and you won't have anyone to listen to you whine and complain.
binding your starter tools is the way to go- however they should still breakdown.
It's obvious you've not tried your hand at toolcrafting. I was given 92 recipes in tha last go round and there were few I could actually make-I needed Pliers(didn't have) or I needed a Chisel(didn't have)or I needed wooden handles. There was no way I could make new starter tools.Quote:
Originally Posted by coca
An even easier solution it to just implement starter tool recipes that EVERYONE starts with, that require basic materials to make. (ie - rock, twigs, grass string) Which also have a limited number of uses before they have to be remade, allowing everyone access to starting recipes, without imposing restrictions on the player. This also means that no player starts with any tools other than their weapon choice, and should also minimize the "spawn camping" by the PKers.
