Animal AI still sucks

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05-09-2011, 01:01 AM
NorCalGooey

Animal AI still sucks

Sorry but it had to be said.

Why are bears warping 20 meters to attack me? Walking in place and then warping. This is like the PvP system.

There is definitely improvement but this is nowhere near as good as MOB AI as I've seen even 1 independent programmer create in Unity.

I mean just look at this POS game...created by just a few independent devs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSwsefC4KW8

You telling me your mob AI isn't as good as this games? Why does it suck so bad????

Sorry to be rude, but this kind of thing just seems really amateur.
05-09-2011, 01:13 AM
Plague

Warping has nothing to do with AI. You mixed up facts there. It is the problem of syncing clients with server fast enough.
05-09-2011, 02:41 AM
NorCalGooey

but its not just warping. that's just one of many problems with the AI. the only thing ive seen improve is that they breed now.
05-09-2011, 02:58 AM
Plague

Then state your worries in detail. You just named warping and that is not part of AI.
05-09-2011, 03:07 AM
NorCalGooey

You don't see how bad animal tracking is? They seem constantly confused as to where I'm at and have awful slow reactions. I don't have a high ping either or a poor fps
05-09-2011, 04:36 AM
Plague

Well to be honest I think this can all be contributed to the same issue or "warping" or desync between clients and server. "Confused" means they are trying to attack you at a location that you were at few seconds ago and this is not AI issue.
05-09-2011, 05:16 AM
NorCalGooey

AI meaning they can't even figure out there is a wall infront of them and to walk around the damn thing. things like that i really dont want to get into it because the devs know something's wrong i just don't know if they know how to fix it..yet
05-09-2011, 10:04 AM
xyberviri

your basically saying "Something done went and broken but i'm not going to explain how its broken just that it is and needs to be fixed"

Versus:
1) Animals seem to have issues with Server/Client Sync causing Warping.
2) Animals are having issues with path finding and instead are clipping though structures/terrain
3) Animals are still ignoring terrain physics and are able to climb up vertical surfaces.
4) Small animals such as hamsters have smaller hit boxes and move to a position that is below the minimum allowed pitch in first person mode that makes them very hard/to/impossible to hit.
05-09-2011, 10:06 AM
dezgard

Quote:

Originally Posted by xyberviri

your basically saying "Something done went and broken but i'm not going to explain how its broken just that it is and needs to be fixed"

Versus:
1) Animals seem to have issues with Server/Client Sync causing Warping.
2) Animals are having issues with path finding and instead are clipping though structures/terrain
3) Animals are still ignoring terrain physics and are able to climb up vertical surfaces.
4) Small animals such as hamsters have smaller hit boxes and move to a position that is below the minimum allowed pitch in first person mode that makes them very hard/to/impossible to hit.

Thank you I'll look into this.
05-09-2011, 11:01 AM
Mactavendish

I am sure this is not what you want to hear, but I have ONLY seen these issues with bears.

I am very pleased to see the groups of marmots and whatnot all over.. Helps me lvl hide.

And I am also please with the new deer AI, because they now are skiddish and run away .. JUST like a deer would really do.

Yes let's get bears fixed, but let's also keep a balanced perspective. Some things HAVE actually improved. To me, they have improved a lot.
05-09-2011, 11:10 AM
Throne

I've been very pleased with the AI of Mule Deer I tracked down yesterday, he ran and ran and ran until he was trapped against a river, then he turned and charged. Well done.
05-09-2011, 11:42 AM
ocoma

Earlier I died due to the zone bug where the zone doesn't properly load and thus an invisible animal killed me, initially I thought it was just hidden but a guide informed me that it was the zone bug cause I was repeatedly trying to log a tree that wouldn't fell which is how they knew since it wasn't actually there.

My thought on the death was that the animal was bugged in that it didn't cast a shadow when hidden. Correct me if I'm wrong but hidden players still cast shadows. Yes/no? So I respawned at my totem and was doing a few things and I noticed a raccoon hide just feet away from me while I was drinking from a stream. One sec it was there the next gone. However careful to look this time I tried to find its shadow moving and there was none. The animal didn't warp away. It just vanished practically right next to me and there was no shadow.

I haven't bother to look yet if non-hidden animals cast shadows but if they do I believe that hidden ones are not and may be bugged in that regard.
05-09-2011, 10:30 PM
NorCalGooey

Quote:

Originally Posted by xyberviri

your basically saying "Something done went and broken but i'm not going to explain how its broken just that it is and needs to be fixed"

Versus:
1) Animals seem to have issues with Server/Client Sync causing Warping.
2) Animals are having issues with path finding and instead are clipping though structures/terrain
3) Animals are still ignoring terrain physics and are able to climb up vertical surfaces.
4) Small animals such as hamsters have smaller hit boxes and move to a position that is below the minimum allowed pitch in first person mode that makes them very hard/to/impossible to hit.

You are right I was dead tired yesterday. Had no patience thats probably why I made this thread in the first place I'm usually not negative like this...but what you said I agree. They kind of shift back and forth from one direction to another. Yeah they definitely climb up walls and even through walls. 4 Limestone walls in a box can't keep a bear in they just walk right through the walls.