Instead of PVE server make this current server Primarily PVE with one or 2 zones PVP
issueid=1898 01-19-2014 05:57 PM
ZaDocta2299
Instead of PVE server make this current server Primarily PVE with one or 2 zones PVP
Make this Server PVE with the exception of 2 zones so that the population is not split

Hey all,
I was talking with some people in TeamSpeak and most of them believe that making the one server PVE with the exception of acouple of zones that are PVP. This would be mean that the population would not be split and you could keep the server as PVE by name which will keep both parties happy.

In those PvP zones there should be more resources but extreme or high danger, and when you enter these zones there would be a clear PVP warning sign.

Also for steam extend the mist out so there are fresh zones for new players to settle in.

This idea isn't greatly constructed but I think you all can get the idea.

Any opinions are greatly appreciated :)

Kind Regards,
Doc.
Proud Leader of The Valorinak Republic
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Issue Details
Issue Number 1898
Issue Type Feature
Project Suggestions
Category Unknown
Status Rejected
Priority 1 - Highest
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Votes for this feature 5
Votes against this feature 4
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02-02-2014 04:35 PM
Xsyon Citizen
NOw if someone could put a totem down next to yours and attack you then that would be Forced PVP. So it seems that people dont want to have to click place totem .... one click to be immune to PVP.... its just too hard..... can't i just have it automatically.... ???
 

02-02-2014 08:02 PM
Xsyon Citizen
Quote Originally Posted by znaiika
That is why pvp server should be for pvpers, and pve server for pveers, two different servers everyone happy.
There are many ways to have chalenge in a game aside pvp.
Like making items hard to find. (Like the old saw blades you quit over?)

I'm saying this, and I've yet to see you say otherwise.

PVE areas in game would be 70% of the server. You and other PVE players could play there, build there, craft there etc without fear of PVP. If you wanted PVP you would have the choice to go to the PVP areas (20% of the server). No one would force you to go there, there would be no reason for you to go there unless you wanted to PVP.

Why would this be bad?

In the PVP area, PVP players would have no tribe protection from being attacked. They would need to build walls and gates to protect themselves and use combat force. Sieging is not in game yet, but maybe one day it will be and these areas could be contested tribe lands.

These PVP areas are set off the current map set, away from the main population/starting areas. Give a warning to players going into these areas that is is a PVP area.

Pros:
Single server so you can play with all types of players and your friends/guild/clan.
PVP hotzones for PVP players to find pvp, more likely than PVPers spread over a 120 zones.
PVE players could have the option to PVP if they wanted (by choice only).
PVP areas on a PVE server would promote trade for crafters.

Cons:
Possible issues with crafters supplying PVPers in safety areas. (Will happen on the PVP server also under the current rule set)
PVPs unhappy being limited to small area of the map for PVP only.


Can you add reasons to this list?
 

02-02-2014 09:36 PM
Xsyon Citizen
Like I said let's just have /pvp flag and whole server pve, if you want to pvp just type " /pvp " and you have pvp as well on pve server.
 

02-02-2014 11:06 PM
Xsyon Citizen
Like I said let's just have /pvp flag and whole server pve, if you want to pvp just type " /pvp " and you have pvp as well on pve server.
Thats a hot PvEer-wish.
I would say: avoid PvP-areas, if you dont want to be attacked.
See, our problem as PvPers is, that we like to force our strengh to aply a "special politic" at ...lets say a zone, we are living.
I dont want to have neighbors very close to my tribe, chopping trees i planted, terraforming the land i "love"???!!! ...ok, lets see if i am strong enough to expel them outa "my" district. If not - i would need to move. Maybe to a PvE-Area where a revenge can not hit me, maybe to another PvP-Zone where i can start anew......

atm guides support the pve-politics. If you do to much PvP to a player its called "griefing" and youre sayed to stop it (doesnt happen to me, but were told such things happened). The server is almost under PvE-Rules.
A pvp/pve-flag doesnt solve the problem. The suggestion here is a try to get both sides somehow together, instead of splitting the community, because we like you pve-guys - but we dont want to accept and bear all your rules!! :D
 

02-03-2014 01:34 AM
Xsyon Citizen
Quote Originally Posted by znaiika
Like I said let's just have /pvp flag and whole server pve, if you want to pvp just type " /pvp " and you have pvp as well on pve server.
I can find issues with what you listed, things like people looting that can't be killed, people chopping trees that can't be killed, people pulling up scrap that can't be killed, people dancing in your face laughing that can't be killed.
These are things that PVPers want to have their areas free of this.

Now can you answer my question? You still have avoided the suggestion and issues. So far all I get from you is that PVPers would be unhappy with the suggestion, but you are fine with it.
 

02-03-2014 06:57 AM
Xsyon Citizen
Mrddt.
You just answered your own question why there has to be two different servers, one for pvp one for pve, thank you.
 

02-03-2014 07:54 AM
Xsyon Citizen
So far ddt you managed to keep population low with your ideas and suggestions, if Xsyon want to keep experimenting I can still wait, I know for a fact that what you suggest will not work and Xsyon will loose his oportunity to to have good income sooner.
I am starting to think you don't want Xsyon to be a success.
 

02-03-2014 09:38 AM
Xsyon Citizen
Quote Originally Posted by znaiika
So far ddt you managed to keep population low with your ideas and suggestions, if Xsyon want to keep experimenting I can still wait, I know for a fact that what you suggest will not work and Xsyon will loose his oportunity to to have good income sooner.
I am starting to think you don't want Xsyon to be a success.

Can you please say why? You have yet to say what the issue is, other than PVPers wont be happy, which you already said you are not a PVPer.
 

02-03-2014 11:32 AM
Xsyon Citizen
I already did, if you can't remember or can't understand, that is not my problem.
Why you want to have pvp areas - to place rare resources in to pvp areas to lure in pve players crafters/scavengers, then kill them and loot them.
Also, Xsyon is going to implement ability to flag tribe totem for pvp enabled - that makes pvp area as well so, instead of having 70% it would be almost everyvere pvp, you see? you actualy want to be able to kill anyone and everywere, you said it your self in fourth post above.
This is why your suggestion won't work to increas population at all.
These are few reasons why Xsyon need to implement pve server apart from pvp server.
 

02-03-2014 01:53 PM
Xsyon Citizen
Quote Originally Posted by znaiika
I already did, if you can't remember or can't understand, that is not my problem.
Why you want to have pvp areas - to place rare resources in to pvp areas to lure in pve players crafters/scavengers, then kill them and loot them.
Also, Xsyon is going to implement ability to flag tribe totem for pvp enabled - that makes pvp area as well so, instead of having 70% it would be almost everyvere pvp, you see? you actualy want to be able to kill anyone and everywere, you said it your self in fourth post above.
This is why your suggestion won't work to increas population at all.
These are few reasons why Xsyon need to implement pve server apart from pvp server.
You didn't state before, other than PVPers wouldn't like it.

Now about the other thing about "contested" totems. That won't be on the PVE server. Just FYI. It will be on the current server from the way I understand it.

Why do I want to have PVP areas? I listed that a few posts ago, but mostly to give everyone options at playing the game the way they want. If it doesn't have risk vs reward, that would be fine also, I don't see why it wouldn't but if that's required to not make a foolish mistake of splitting the servers then it would be cool.

I didn't say I want to kill everyone everywhere. I'm asking for a small PVP area (20% of the server in a special area with warning on it to anyone going into that area).

So now that I countered your issue, and make it pro 1 server option. Got any other issues?
 

02-03-2014 03:33 PM
Xsyon Citizen
I know "contested system" won't be on pve server, but it will be on the current server, I was talking about your sugestion about current server, wich will have "contested system" and pvp areas as you suggest, which will have pvp zones plus totems could be turned in to pvp zones as well.

Again no one is splitting any server, the true choice is if there is one server pve and another is pvp server, then one can choose any server he or she want to play on

Yes you did say you want to kill every one you don't like "I can find issues with what you listed, things like people looting that can't be killed, people chopping trees that can't be killed, people pulling up scrap that can't be killed, people dancing in your face laughing that can't be killed " here it is.

You didn't counter me other then derailed the truce.

I am strongly recommend Xsyon to not coppy current server but make PVE server a clean install so people don't say server got split.
 

02-03-2014 03:38 PM
Xsyon Citizen
Quote Originally Posted by znaiika
I know "contested system" won't be on pve server, but it will be on the current server, I was talking about your sugestion about current server, wich will have "contested system" and pvp areas as you suggest, which will have pvp zones plus totems could be turned in to pvp zones as well.

Again no one is splitting any server, the true choice is if there is one server pve and another is pvp server, then one can choose any server he or she want to play on

Yes you did say you want to kill every one you don't like "I can find issues with what you listed, things like people looting that can't be killed, people chopping trees that can't be killed, people pulling up scrap that can't be killed, people dancing in your face laughing that can't be killed " here it is.

You didn't counter me other then derailed the truce.

I am strongly recommend Xsyon to not coppy current server but make PVE server a clean install so people don't say server got split.

You understand the current server has no PVP zones right? (not counting founders isle)
Thus saying there will be PVP zones and contested areas is an oxymoron.

Yes it is splitting the servers, it will split the population base to choose which one they goto. Yes I agree they can choose. Wouldn't they also be able to choose if there were PVP areas and PVE areas?

Saying I would kill someone for something is not the same as killing everyone. Also this is assuming the current ruleset and PVP area suggestions. Clearly this wouldn't be allowed in a PVE server or founders isle.


Not copy the current server and make a PVE server clean would have major issues with it, and a good topic for another suggestion. You are more than welcome to post it there. Lets stay on point here.


So again, what is the issue with PVE area being 70% of the server, and a PVP area with 20% of the server? So far all I got from you is that PVPers wont be happy. No reason why.
 

02-03-2014 03:52 PM
Xsyon Citizen
You suggesting to to make current server 70% pve and pvp zones plus contested totems so people could turn their totems in to pvp zone as well.

No it's not a split, if people choose to play on pve server, then it is their free choosing.

It is sounding like the way you said it.

This suggestion is about spliting so it does apply.

You keep on saying the same thing over and over even with a ton of reasons, ignorance is your choice and I can't help you with that.
 

02-03-2014 04:14 PM
Xsyon Citizen
Quote Originally Posted by znaiika
You suggesting to to make current server 70% pve and pvp zones plus contested totems so people could turn their totems in to pvp zone as well.

No it's not a split, if people choose to play on pve server, then it is their free choosing.

It is sounding like the way you said it.

This suggestion is about spliting so it does apply.

You keep on saying the same thing over and over even with a ton of reasons, ignorance is your choice and I can't help you with that.
I don't want contested totems in the PVE area. I'm talking about contested totems in the PVP area only.

Ok lets not use the word split then, we can use choice. Just as there is a choice of going to the PVP areas correct?

Well I can see you are not going to answer the question, so I guess nothing more to say.
I will suggest, you playing the game and seeing what Xsyon is like first see what people are doing and building, how things are built. Yes I know you played a little but things have changed.
 

02-03-2014 04:41 PM
Xsyon Citizen
"Ok lets not use the word split then, we can use choice. Just as there is a choice of going to the PVP areas correct?"
If resources are available in pve area equaly, then it is a choice to make by player to go in to pvp zone or not, if any resources are available in pvp zones only, then it is not a choice it is forced, you forcing people to go in to pvp zones because there arent any othe place to get those resources.

There are no question to answer, can you state your question more clearly?
 

02-03-2014 04:44 PM
Xsyon Citizen
Quote Originally Posted by znaiika
"Ok lets not use the word split then, we can use choice. Just as there is a choice of going to the PVP areas correct?"
If resources are available in pve area equaly, then it is a choice to make by player to go in to pvp zone or not, if any resources are available in pvp zones only, then it is not a choice it is forced, you forcing people to go in to pvp zones because there arent any othe place to get those resources.

We said this at the start. ALL the resources are going to be in the PVE area, there will be nothing in the PVP area you can't get in the PVE area.

So you do not have an issue with the PVP zones if limited to 20% of the server? Making the other 70% (10% buffer) PVE?
 

02-03-2014 04:54 PM
Xsyon Citizen
I don't have an issue with that if it stay that way forever and pve zones could not be turned in to contested.
But how do I know it won't change like old saw was removed? and people could turn their totems in to pvp or pvp areas would have the only resources?
 

02-03-2014 05:54 PM
Xsyon Citizen
Well we can't know anything can change, how do you know a PVE only server wont change later too? You have to just accept that it wont change, and if it doesnt you voice your issues or quit.

I'm glad we had this talk. As I said at the start of the suggestion. I believe even PVEers would like this change, it gives everyone choices. A PVE only server leaves no choice to ever PVP. With this option it would be a win for everyone.
 

02-03-2014 07:41 PM
Xsyon Citizen
You see, if pve ever going to change, Xsyon will loose a lot of people and they would never trust Xsyon again, I hope for this game to be a success, as for pvp on pve srver, it could be true if Xsyon add /pvp flag just for people to be able to contest.
i am for both pvp and pve players on the same server, but it has to be done right without change in the future.
And I am glad we talked as well.
 

02-03-2014 08:40 PM
Xsyon Citizen
After reading throught posts I see that pvp people don't like small pvp areas, one server would not support influx of players, and pvp community want a rewarded with best resources pvp areas.
These I think are few reasons to stil have multy-server, pvp community should have pvp server and pve community should have pve server, it is still best option.
I am still OK with pve and pvp community on one server, but what happen if this server is overloaded? what kind of server would Xsyon add? is it going to be same mixed or actualy pve server?
Would you like if Xsyon add pve server and make this server the way we talked about, see what server people join to.
If Xsyon deside to add pve server it should be clean install, so people start from scratch without any gathered resourses.
 

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