I can't afford to run a third experimental server. If I could, there's really no evidence to show me that a server like this would help attract or retain players (at least not enough to make the 3rd server worthwhile).

Less than 5% of players have even reached the point where skill balancing / decay starts. A few players have complained about skill decay over the years, but honestly not many (mostly you, znaiika ;-)).

Thanks!

Wow this is a horrible idea I would never want any of this implemented the whole
idea about the revs spawning on the piles would be horrible.

The whole idea with the baskets would be a nightmare if a person was not within 50 m
of the basket to allow anyone to pick it up that would never work A lot of new players
rely on baskets when they start out new to store stuff in. So basically any new player
would get robbed blind.

As for the carts that is how the current system is after so many days anyone
can claim a cart if it is abandoned so really I don't see why there would be any
need to change that system.

And about the all basic items not having a quality that would actually take away
from this game Your skill is NOT the only factor but how good the material is as well
also depends you can't make a perfect item out of crap material once again this is an absolutely
horrible idea.

I don't see any kind of a need for a 3rd server or really any of the things that
he mentioned in here most of it is an absolutely horrible idea and will detract
from this game if any of that was implemented.

Please don't put any of these suggestions in game Xsyon.

Thank you,

@Xsyon.
You can always set-up a survey and sent out to all your customers if you really want to know why people left and which settings they would like back.

@DarkShadow
About revs you're just silly.
About baskets, I forgot to mention, outside of tribe-land it makes it safer for noobs not to loose their baskets or whatever they are working on while their baskets are on the ground.
As for ownership, if you pick up baskets or claim a cart previous owner and who crafted that basket or cart is still displayed, what I am asking is to remove previous owners name and apply new owners name.
How much skill dose take to pick-up anything out in the world, what you're saying is if master craftsman dropped something ad a little boy/girl picks it up it somehow looses its quality? or big company who have professional factory sends out simple workers to mine or process materials somehow makes those materials low quality, or chopping wood loose quality because of cheaper laborers?

On tribe land everything should be safe regardless you're on or off.

Zaniika, just let it die man.

Regards,
Aenar/Achilleus

Once again I vote no for any of these things mentioned by znaiika

Just let it go znaiika the idea isn't going to happen clearly the players don't
want this.

What you are suggesting is an all around bad idea and as Xsyon already
said he doesn't have the money anyways to run a 3rd server. so this isn't
going to happen.

Just let it go man

Out of how many players who bought Xsyon and how many don't want this? or you refer to as "certain players"?
I remember this tactic, same agenda and the goal is same is to keep population down and force Xsyon to give-up on his game, this being done by same people with different account names.
Xsyon, if you really want to know what people want, you should set-up survey and sent to all your customers.
No wounder they say "let it go" or "let it die" someone don't want this game to succeed.

I think this is a misunderstanding but I may be wrong.

I understood that "Let it go" and "Let it die" does not mean that the GAME should die, but was in the meaning of "znaiika, let your wish die" and "znaiika, stop updating this thread as Xsyon will not implement what you want".

If I am wrong, please let me know.

Wyry has hit on the correct context of what we meant. Thank you Wyry.


Regards,
Aenar/Achilleus

Like I said all you have to do Xsyon is ask your customers.

Let it go was pointed towards you, Znaiika. I shall come up with a proverbial quote for you, free of charge.

"This is still a bad idea"
- Aenar 2018

Regards,
Aenar/Achilleus

If Xsyon don't have money for a new server he can always add subscription and include those options for a current server/s.
But I would strongly suggest sending a survey to all of Xsyons customers first, then Xsyon will know what major population want not just few people.

Well here is my 2 pennies worth, first the current population is very low and a good portion of the game at this time can only be explored correctly in groups, seeing as how everyone is currently solo mostly, that portion of the game is out of reach, this means that the game is primarily focused on building at this time, and you can only build so much before it becomes tedious and you go play another game, so in order to keep the current population and or grow it, some things need to change, however a 3rd server would just further lower the given population on the current servers and cost more money, so it is really not a good idea for anyone.

However, this does not mean you should "just let it die", you have a right , just like everyone else to state your opinions and ideas, and should not have them disregarded in such a rude manner, myself, for what its worth, appreciates you caring enough about the state of the game to come here and make suggestions, so thankyou.

Can some one please close this thread it has already been rejected and people are just
beating a dead horse.

Thank you,

Here's the situation from my perspective:

Although I would love to have more active players, Xsyon's player retention and median time played are average for a game like this. Many of our players own a hundred or more games on Steam. Many players don't have the time a game like Xsyon takes to really get into. Realistically, I can't expect most players to become a hardcore Xsyon citizen.

For a player to log in, mess around for a few hours and leave to never play Xsyon again is absolutely normal. Of the games I've played there are very few I've spent more than 10 hours in!

Of course, there is always room for improvement and player retention can be increased.

I have surveyed players before and I've received feedback (on these forums, on Steam, via email, via the help desk) from thousands of players.

The main change being asked for here is to remove skill limits, correct?

Very few players have asked for removing skill limits. As I stated above less than 5% of players have even reached the point where skills begin to balance and decay. Honestly, the only player that I recall that keeps pushing for removing skill limits is you, znaiika. ;-)

Many more players have asked for tighter hard capped skill limits to encourage specialization and trade. (This fits with my original design and games that I enjoy playing). Personally, I don't enjoy role playing games where 'everyone can do everything'. I feel it takes away from the role playing aspect of the game as there are no roles.

As I see it there are two separate but related issues:

- What causes a player to leave the game.
- What would entice a player to return.

The following is based on all the feedback I've received in many forms.

Before the War Server existed the top reasons for players leaving the game were:
- Technical issues (especially loading and lag)
- PvP
- Player conflicts
- Running out of things to do

More recently top reasons are
- Not enough players (catch 22 situation)
- Combat and creature issues
- Game is too difficult
- Game is too time consuming
- Technical issues (most I've resolved with recent patches)
- Running out of things to do

What would entice players to return or play more?
- Revised combat and creatures
- New features (most asked for: pets, mounts, ranged combat)

These are what I am currently focused on!

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I'll quickly go over a few points (again).

- I couldn't afford a 3rd server. If I could, I have no reason to believe that it would help in any way at this moment.

- Bringing back a subscription of any kind would be very risky. I removed subscriptions not because they weren't working. I had no choice but to remove subscriptions because of the negative publicity they brought about on Steam.

- Surveys haven't proven to be a good way to gather information (very few people respond) and I'm already confident in the amount of feedback I've received from players, which is plenty!

I do appreciate the suggestions. Thanks!

Although features you are working on Xsyon are a good additions you won't see players to come back more remembers I said this, like you said it's just me "znaiika", don't get me wrong I like those features as well, but those will not bring people back, I just hope you realize this before it's too late.

Just want it to say, whatever you want to do Xsyon is fine with me, I just hope it is the right decision, I wanted to help get more people on, to support your project, I am too playing different games as well, mostly those which I can mod, "mostly".

No offense Znika you would not make a good mod the players should have a vote
on who the mod is going to be if there are going to be any new mods / guides

By 'mod', znaiika meant 'modify' as many games players can host their own servers, change settings and modify the game.

I will close this suggestion as I've already responded in detail. In closing summary: I couldn't afford to run another experimental server at this moment if I wanted to.

My current best course of action is to complete the features I am working on. This will allow me to remove Xsyon from Early Access on Steam. That will automatically bring more traffic to the Steam page and should certainly result in more players.

Thanks again!