Can't learn new schemes
issueid=2229 06-04-2015 04:32 AM
wastelandstoic
Can't learn new schemes
unlearned 11 to gain 5

I'm posting this as a bug although it may not be. In the past when I have not understood the behind the scenes mechanics they have usually be found working as intended.

I'm trying to learn 6 new architecture schemes. So I went through my list of known schemes and found 6 that I could part with and unlearned them. After learning 4 of my new schemes I got the message "you cannot learn anymore schemes". So, I found one more scheme that I could reluctantly part with but still could not learn a new scheme. I then found 4 more schemes from my list and unlearned them. I was able to learn one more new scheme but not the sixth. So I unlearned a total of 11 schemes to learn 5. This I'm not understanding and in fact feeling a bit cheated on as I'm trying to return to the game and try the new building system.

It can take quite a while (2 1/2 years) to amass a good list of architecture schemes that you are happy with and after that time unlearning schemes is painful to do. I'm assuming that with the new schemes that have recently been added to the game (all the gadu stuff, all the 2x2x2 ramps and decks, etc.) that with those additions that all players got I went over my total possible schemes limit? But since everyone was given those as an addition it seems like they should not have counted against the total possible known schemes. At the least, when a player unlearns a scheme we should get a message that gives us a status on how many schemes we will have to unlearn to be able to learn a new one.

As building is the primary draw of the game and a more combat oriented character usually preferred by most players maybe reassessing the total number of schemes here is a good idea. Anyhow, can Xsyon shed some light on this for me?
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Issue Details
Issue Number 2229
Project Bugs Reports
Category Code - Character & Actions
Status Fixed / Resolved
Priority 3
Affected Version Unknown
Fixed Version (none)
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06-04-2015 08:36 AM
Xsyon Citizen
The numbers at the top tell you how many you have learned and how many is max for your skill/stats.

So if you have 70/75, you can learn 5 more.
If you have 75/70, you must unlearn 6 to learn 1.

Likely what happened is your stats have changed and it effected your max number of recipes.
 

06-04-2015 09:32 AM
Xsyon Citizen
From memory, but I'm pretty sure it's correct 136/319.
 

06-04-2015 01:40 PM
Xsyon Citizen
make that 136/219.
 

06-04-2015 02:07 PM
I'll have to check your character on the Test Server. If your scheme count is 136/219 you shouldn't have to unlearn any. I'll let you know once I've checked your character directly.
 

06-05-2015 04:22 AM
Do you recall the exact schemes that you couldn't learn? (Or do you still have them somewhere?) I'm checking your character on the Test Server and can learn schemes that I'm spawning fine. I'm wondering if you have some schemes with bad information on them or schemes that were added to the scavenging tables but shouldn't be in game.

Thanks!
 

06-05-2015 07:27 AM
Xsyon Citizen
The sixth BP I still can not learn is pioneer corner truss 16x16. It was bought from a mist trader. The fifth BP that I was finally able to learn after unlearning several others was scavenger cantilever 4x4 (I think) and I think it was scavenged. All of the six BP's were a mix of scavenged and mist trader.

I do remember that before any of the new BP/ schemes were added to the game I was one scheme away from my max possible known schemes in architecture. How those numbers were added to and changed since, I don't know. I have been able to learn arch schemes since the new stuff came out it's just as described above this started happening.

Thanks for looking into it...
 

06-05-2015 10:10 AM
Xsyon Citizen
The way the max recipes works is like this.
There are say 500 recipes out there, and you based on your stats can learn 75% of them.
You can learn x/375 then (375 = 75% of 500).
If they increase the number of recipes total in the game to 700, then your new max you can learn would be 525. 525 = 75% of 700.

So anytime new recipes come into the game your max you can learn will go up as long as you don't lower your stats or skills.
 

06-05-2015 10:52 AM
Ah ok. The problem is the 'pioneer corner truss 16x16'. I need to remove that from the Mist Trader for sale table. I'll have a Guide either restore your cash in exchange for that one, or you can exchange it for a 16x16 regular truss.

My guess is that while you were unlearning, you kept getting back to trying that particular scheme, getting the 'you can't learn anymore' message, then unlearning another. Does that sound correct?

Also, do you recall the schemes you unlearned? We'll restore those for you. If you can recall, a Guide can provide you with replacement schemes. If not, I can restore the data to an earlier point in time and obtain a list.

Please submit a help ticket when you're ready for assistance. We'll be alerted faster.

Thanks!
 

06-05-2015 12:09 PM
Xsyon Citizen
This sounds like it's what has happened. Upon looking at the pioneer corner truss 16x16 closely it says archery 0.00. I missed that, sorry.

I always make a list and screen shot each new bp I go to learn just in case something goes wrong. I do have a list of the bp's unlearned as well. I'll send in a ticket in a bit.

Thanks!
 

06-05-2015 06:23 PM
Xsyon Citizen
I am having the same bug, I bought Scavenger and a Scrapper Corner Truss 16x16 bp's from trade posts and both require Archery and thus can't be learned.
I also got 2 Scrapper Cart bp's that require Archery.
 

06-06-2015 07:29 AM
Xsyon Citizen
Scrapper carts crafting is not in the game yet.
Did you buy them off the trader?
 

06-06-2015 05:25 PM
Xsyon Citizen
hmm thats interesting, I mean the scrapper cart bps.
For nearly a year I had the mason BP "Mason Stone Porch" bp which also needed Archery.
Of course back then there was no such BP in game. I scavved it up one day possilbly around same the time that carrots
were mistakenly put into junk pile scav tables.
Anyway I kept this BP in a basket all this time, in the recent arch patches this bp has been renamed to "Mason Floor 2x4" and no longer says
archery. I suspect your BP is a similar thing - a mis named BP

Sark
 

06-06-2015 05:44 PM
Xsyon Citizen
[EDIT] im no programmer but I suspect Jordi maybe using the Archery flag on BPs that are not supposed to be in-game yet
There are obviously lots of game assets that are not being used, maybe he flags bps and schemes that are not intended to be in game
with archery (archery is next to architect spellingwise and maybe is the quickest way to keep things out of the live tables)
Of course some other data is causing these bps to appear in game by mistake.
++++This is just a theory btw++++

Sark
 

06-06-2015 05:54 PM
Xsyon Citizen
[EDIT] sorry for the text blurb, on further thought, maybe its a belt and braces job, things not intended to be in-game are flagged
with archery so they IF they do turn up in-game before they should, they are still un-learnable. Thats the belt. the Braces is some
other data keeping the asset out of game and in this case the braces have failed, but the belt is still working - ie keeping the bp unlearnable.
++++again all theory+++++
sark
 

06-06-2015 06:33 PM
Hi everyone,

Yes, any blueprint that has archery as the required skill should not be in game. Please submit a ticket and a Guide can replace your unusable blueprint with a similar useful one or return your money if you purchased it through the Trading Post.

I'll patch out a fixed database tomorrow night to remove these rogue schemes from the data tables.

Thanks!
 

06-07-2015 12:07 AM
Xsyon Citizen
there was a whole bunch of scrapper carts BPs in the game. just turn them in any random arc recipes. has been dustcatcher for years.
 

06-07-2015 12:33 PM
Xsyon Citizen
Why would you want to turn them into random arch recipes? If anything they should be cart recipes but, what are they hurting? Those recipes are rare and people had to earn them, they were not randomly found.

If anything give the choice to the players with the recipes if there is an issue, but I doubt there is.
 

06-07-2015 04:47 PM
Xsyon Citizen
they are simply useless without scrapcraft.
 

06-10-2015 08:15 AM
Trading Posts have been updated to no longer add these non working recipes.