Mason yakid post issue
issueid=2383 03-06-2016 12:24 PM
Xsyon Citizen
Mason yakid post issue
Exploid

Hi,


It seems players can "jump" over a mason yakid post, using sprint and jumping, You need to have a high jumping skill level though.

If other players noticed this and have more information they can report it too. The more information the best :)



Thanks
Issue Details
Issue Number 2383
Project Bugs Reports
Category Code - Collision
Status Deferred
Priority 8
Affected Version Unknown
Fixed Version (none)
Users able to reproduce bug 0
Users unable to reproduce bug 0
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03-08-2016 06:01 AM
Xsyon Citizen
Just 2¢ here but I don't in any way see this as a bug or a problem. Yes, any structure with an angled or uneven/ rounded surface can be jumped onto --and that makes jumping and a higher jumping skill have at least some value. Since there is no climb skill in the game this sort of takes the place of climbing and allows for some trial and error creativity when playing a character in Xsyon. If you are worried about building with some of these types of structures that can be jumped onto use some trial and error and get creative. There are plenty of ways to safeguard your tribe and buildings not the least of which is the tribal grounds itself.

03-08-2016 07:08 AM
Xsyon Citizen
Hi...

Ok...lets say they didn't shelve the pvp no safe zone thingy....and no switch was implemented...

Oasis was built mostly by jump n drop system so a lot of stuff is stuck together...then take that we have these posts at almost every wall...

the Tribe leaders are the only ones who can demo stuff and would they want to?...even if they could they would have to tear it all down due to the drop building.

I see your point but to a point...that post is part of a WALL system and walls are to prevent entry...final.

Mookie

03-08-2016 07:15 AM
Xsyon Citizen
Srry did not see an edit button.....

just want to add that there is nothing to steal at Oasis and any bins left open by players well that's their fault...stuff we don't want tampered with can be hidden...my concern is the ability ...IF NO switch pvp...that we may be griefed.

Those posts were put up as a sign of our style...we should not have to tear them down and put up a bland faceless look just so your 100 jump cant get you in.

03-08-2016 10:19 AM
Xsyon Citizen
So lets say Xsyon makes the post appear angled but gives them 4 straight sides so that you can't jump up the side of it. Is that going to solve the problem? ...Nope, there are still other ways to get over a wall. Rather than go on don Quixote's quest to eliminate every structures shape in the game why not put the burden on players, if they want an impenetrable tribe, to build it that way in the first place? It can be done.

As far as changes to War server goes, that's all theoretical and at any rate a long way off most likely.

03-08-2016 12:51 PM
Xsyon Citizen
Ive been getting into other camps for along time...mostly the ones about to go abandoned to loot bins n stuff but in all the time I have done this, I have never been able to climb /jump up a post or wall...Gadu is the exception...
This apparently became doable when Xsyon changed the how char's could climb granite in order to chase prey.
OK fine...the game has always been close to Real life...so...In RL you could climb in...and we don't have that ability, so what you mentioned about the "worth" of the jumping skill is sort of justified.
the way Oasis was built had a flaw due to not being able to build on granite hence the use of simple Gadu Barricades because we did not want to ruin the natural surroundings ( leaving the forest beds alone to plant trees ).
With the semi scare of pvp no safe zones, we decided to build surrounding walls which could be done now cause you can build on granite now...but, never once did we know of the posts being able to be breached.
It is still a catch 22...please the people wanting to be safe in camp vs. the people wanting to sprint up granite cliffs trying to catch a rabbit.

If there is a suitable fix in adding something without making the looks abhorable then fine ill do that...but so far ive been able to sprint/jump up posts from a standstill...so adding a railing or whatever below will not stop it. Ill welcome any advice since you are a vet and im just a semi vet who hates to build.
Mookie

03-08-2016 02:18 PM
Xsyon Citizen
My opinion is rather than try to change every structure that might allow someone to jump up onto it to enter a tribe, just keep the tribal area as a safe zone, And/Or allow the tribe to decide if they want to deactivate the safety of their tribe or not --on war server of course. And again these issues are moot right now and for a long time to come.

03-09-2016 03:47 AM
Xsyon Citizen
2 wall sections, one stacked atop the other ringing your tribe is a perfect barrier as long as their is no large rocks or higher ground outside the tribe to jump from. Use the post as decoration not as outer wall barriers.

03-09-2016 04:16 AM
Xsyon Citizen
Bear with me on this post since Its 5am and getting ready for work.

You and other friendlier tribes have been to Oasis. You see the looks of the Arch that both Kev and Sister wanted. On Pvp, I myself, have enclosed the remaining area with walls such as you depicted tho I used the post where I could to keep the design similar. At this time I am the only active player but my rank does not include demo or rank change. So I can only change the posts that I put up.

But in short...you can have a builders paradise on Pve but on Pvp you need to make your own prison to live in ( IS is a perfect example ). I know that even if a guide helped turn the posts to the flat side...there are still ways to get in. Enough Info has been given for Xsyon to decide on an solution or weather balloon answer. I will let the cards lay as they are dealt.

Mookie

03-09-2016 06:12 AM
Xsyon Citizen
Fair enough.

03-09-2016 06:53 AM
Xsyon Citizen
in the case of angled slopes from either mason posts or teepee's,
you dont even need to use jump at all. All it takes is RUN and SPRINT and you run straight up those slopes and over the "wall"
no jump required.

I dont belive this is intentional, and in the case of these slopes, they should not be climable simply by running up them,
they are supposed to be part of a Wall, you can't run up mason walls or any other vertical wall. mason posts should be the same.
its all my own opinion of course :)

sark

03-09-2016 10:35 AM
Xsyon Citizen
Right teepees, any angled posts, carts, tree stumps & logs, rocks and probably other structures can be jumped/ sprint-jumped onto. That's why I said fixing one post will not solve this 'can of worms' problem that making changes to War server will/ has opened.

I assume Xsyon will just 'fix' each structure as someone decides to report each one which for years no one has had a problem or concern with until now. These nuances, in my opinion, make the game interesting, reward trial and error experimentation and exploration and invested time unlike the mindless grinding of skills.

But sure, lets just get rid of ALL of it, dumb it down and sterilize it. That's a great meme to propagate. What the heck, I'll give it my vote as well...if you can't beat 'em join 'em.

03-10-2016 11:34 AM
I haven't checked this one out yet, however:

If all walls and columns can be jumped over from a level ground, this is a bug and needs to be fixed.

If it's only this specific post that can be scaled by sprinting and jumping, it's definitely not intended and simply means that the slope of the post should be adjusted.

Tents and other slopes that fall within the normal slope range that players can climb won't be adjusted. Those are as designed.

03-10-2016 09:24 PM
Xsyon Citizen
Walls and posts cannot be jumped over, this isnt about the jumping skill.

But some variants of the Mason posts, the ones with sloping sides, for instance Mason Yakid Post
can be sprinted over. Again there are variables for this to work.

-You can only sprint up the sloping side.

-The post has to be placed on level ground.

-And most strangely, the angle of the camera is factor, having the camera low to the ground enables it
having the camera high seems to inhibit it

Sark