I managed to get it to work "slightly off edge" and down lower than the floors....

The issue here seems to be that for some reason the walls can't go ontop of the floors, despite there being trussing support under them.

This is a problem I've seen another player quit over.

He made a deck on his plot, supported by posts under the decks, than was unable to put any walls or anything ontop of the floors despite them being supported under with posts.

This meant he had to tare down his entire deck (half a solo tribe) and start over... instead of starting over, he instead started playing other games.

I feel like this issue is something that can cause a level of grief to a player that makes them no longer wish to continue to play.. this should be addressed since it takes "so much" effort to build its a "huge demoralization" when things don't work properly and you gotta remake everything... the system should be more forgiving is what I'm saying, since forcing a player to scrap weeks of work and start over due to a issue like this, that most new players won't know better about anyways, could be causing people to rage quit or think "why restart this game by taring down my area and restarting when I could play something else"

RIP melkins, I haven't seen the guy online since.

love the way players assume its a glitch or bug when something doesnt work they think it should

its working as intended, you CANT place walls on top of floor tiles, they have to go at the edges of a floor tile.

just go round other peoples tribes, you will see how they are laid out.

in your last pic, that mason wall is grey cos it placed correctly, ie at the edge of a floor tile

sorry to say but you need to learn how it all works before you start calling bugged, glitched,grief etc

people quit cos they don't want to play, but they never say that, they feel they have to give another reason so its not their fault like they don't like this or that about the game. or that thing doesnt work the wau They want it to

Honestly I wish there was a way to block you cuz I don't really wana hear you respond to everything I post.

I get it, you think people should adapt to the game instead of the game adapting to the people, but that could be why people are not sticking with the game.

I'm saying if we make the game more forgiving for players who "dont know every last rule of building" they won't get upset to the point of quitting when they realize they fucked up and gotta tare it all down to do it another way.

I'm not stupid, I'm aware that "its grey now cuz it was set properly", thats not the problem.

The problem is nobody is going to want to deal with this, I don't even want to deal with this.

Its extremely limiting, the platform is supported and the walls should be able to go anywhere just the same as the platforms.

To say the platform can go there, but the wall can't, gives a level of confusion to the player like "why is the floor and platform supported and okay here but the wall isn't?

It just doesn't make any sense to someone who "isn't a expert" like you suggested... It doesn't even make sense to me, someone who does know better... don't you get the problem? This isn't very user friendly, this isn't fun, this is making things more complex than it needs to be.

The fact you can't put a wall ontop of a floor means that your limited to only put walls on the edge of trussing and between floor pannels.. this means you can't acutally build with 8x8 floors and make walls across them, you can only do it around the edges, again this is extremely limiting for building and doesn't make any sense when a platform or anything else can sit ontop of the floors fine, but a wall can't?

This isn't right and makes it extremely hard to work with and unforgiving system, this isn't fun that you need to try to do what you want to do multiple different wants to find out the game just doesn't allow for it to work with a wall, but it does work with a platform that is basically just a thick wall.

This is intentional so I am moving it to Suggestions.

Limitations such as this one were intentional in order for me to able to create a path-finding system through player built structures.

Unfortunately, with the current level of flexibility I haven't yet been able devise a path-finding system for creatures through these complex structures that players build which is why even with my updated path-finding system creatures will avoid ramps and stay to the ground level. I should have kept things simpler but it's too late for that.

Developing a system that is flexible and allows for proper path-finding is imperative for me to bring Xsyon to its ultimate goal of allowing players to creature 'adventures' or 'dungeons' for other players. Because of these I will not be adding more flexibility to the system until I have a properly functioning path-finding system for creatures.

For walls in the middle of a large truss (like an 8x8 truss), beams can be placed in the middle of the truss to act as a support for the wall. You can use 4x4 floors supported by the middle beam in order to accomplish this.

I have taken a look at other games with construction systems and have found all of them less flexible than Xsyon. If you can point me to a similar game with a more flexible system, that allows for creatures to walk through the buildings properly I'd be glad to take a look.

Thanks

well isnt that what happens EVERY game out there, you have to learn it ??
you think because this is a small indie game you can inundate the dev with your suggestions that that follow your own agenda.
(as if he hasnt got enough work to do)

Go try this on a game like World of Warcraft and the only response you'll get back is "Git Gud" or "LTP"...

And you if dont want to me respond then stop name dropping me :)

this is an open forum, who are you Free Speech Gestapo ?

The point is your not here adding anything constructive, just to bitch, your not helping or offering suggestions, just complaining and bitching.

If you had something useful or constructive to add, I wouldn't have ANYTHING negative to say; but thats not whats happening, you seem enraged in every post and I donno whats going on in your life but maybe seek out a hug from a loved one if its been a while.

and yet in the post where you say i am cheating by exploiting a bug of looking through walls, you went on to explain in great detail how this glitch
works by the way, clearly indicating you know all about it....
I wasnt aware of such a glitch, as i said i looked through the window.

I explained i was just looking through the window in the door. no glitch or exploit in doing that.


In the post with the wall support I gave constructive critique about what you was doing wrong but you didnt like that reply at all.
I told you the problem and the solution and in that post you said you wanted me blocked.

In another post you claimed i was stalking you.

you also said I cant reply to you posts...

It is YOU who is bitching about constructive replies.

let us remember it is twice now you've been caughting breaking the TOS, and you try throw all the accusations at me
when it is you who is the offender.

I don't even know where to respond here. I get it, your upset at me cuz you wanted to scumbag me, steal my items, trap me in a box and kill me.

I'm sorry that did not work out for you.

And you ARE stalking me when your showing up to my tribe to use the exploit of looking through walls that you've been abusing without telling jordi.

I didn't ask "what am I doing wrong" I said that the walls DO NOT MAKE SENSE when ONE works and the OTHER does not in the EXACT SAME SPOT.

Now jordi has addressed this by saying he doesn't want to change anything till he sorts out creatures navigating player build structures, I get this and understand it, I can work around it... but lets not confuse the subject here; your suggestion I am too retarded to figure out how to do it "properly" when that is NOT the subject up for debate right now; the subject for debate is that the wall should be able to go in the middle of the floor if the floor is supported, the same as a platform, again it makes no sense that in the EXACT SAME SPOT a platform will work, but a wall will not UNTILL jordi said its for creature navigation, this makes more sense and addressed my question... You telling me I'm too retarded to figure it out is NOT helping or constructive, your just going out of your way to be an asshole and I'm NOT the only person in the game who thinks that so maybe you should reflect on that; why do so many people dislike you in this game? Does it have something to do with how you talk to people or treat them? Sort your life out man before your start spewing negativity at people you barely know.

To look at this another way, a platform looks alot like a thick wall, or possibly something heavier or bigger or more needing of support than a regular wall.

So when you put the half sized wall on teh floor and its a "no go" but you put the twice the size platform on the floor and its fine, it feels strange and not right.

I get it; this can't be addressed till other core issues are addressed first; but this is not consistent and is worth bring'n it despite how you feel sark, where everybody should stfu and keep everything to themselves... I feel everything should be brought up so it can be fixed or changed so the game can actually move in the right direction towards a full release... the way I see it is if it stands out to me, than it will stand out to someone else as well.

I dont know how many different ways i can say this but i went to your tribe once and looked through the window...

you have zero evidence to say the above.

it says more about how you behave then it does me.

the evidence for that is you even admitted in chat you'd known about the wall bug for years that allowed you to pass through walls.

?
Your silly sark you have your own screen shots of you looking through your own walled box you put around tetu's cart where you knew he logged off so he would log into being locked in there, forcing him to die by combat or starvation... You wanted to steal the carts by keeping them till they went abandoned.

This is all facts man, why pretend like its not? You reported me for being a guide, than a real guide showed up.

That guide helped me take my carts out of your box cuz they watched me walk through walls due to the loading glitch I reported earlier.

The fact remains tho, while you where running around that box, you would use sneak mode up verse the walls to look into the box to try n see me in there while I was running around.

How do you think I know about that clipping bug? Who showed it to me? You stupid.

wow you are cracked..

so now you are talking about a different event, the one where i built a hut right ?
this is the time where you spent over an hour running in and out of box like it wasnt there and you yourself reported this ?

wierd cos i remember it differently - a guide showed up when I reported you for running through walls....

I was looking down through the ghost floor tiles which are transparent - kind of - it was quite difficult to see but i could just see you from above.

Please post MY screenshots i supposedly have of wall clipping..

Yeah sure man, just let me hack into your computer and upload your files.

Do you even hear yourself?

Can you kindly fuck off? This isn't "bicker with sark forum" this is suggestions forums so can you stop derailing my posts with your bullshit?

Post in global chat if you want to talk about this, this isn't the place for it, how many times do I need to say this for it to get through your thick skull?

I love how you don't even denie you where looking through walls, cuz you know you where doing it and thats where I learned it from; you.

I learned it from you, yet you wana pretend I didn't and you didn't do it?

Get the fuck outta here with your bullshit.