06/11/2020 - Feedback Requests - Combat

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lets remove them. Add in special attacks. Special attacks to me are like:
"Power Attack" = +50% damage, cooldown 5s, uses 3x energy of a normal swing.
"Snare Attack" = Normal Damage, cooldown 30s, uses 5x energy of a normal swing. Gives debuff of -20% movement speed for 10s.
"Lunge Attack" = Normal Damage, cooldown 5s, uses 3x energy of a normal swing. +100% reach of attack.
"Bleed Attack" = Normal Damage, cooldown 15s, uses 5x energy of normal swing. +100% damage of the attack over 10s.
"Stunning Attack" = Normal Damage, cooldown 30s, uses 5x energy of normal swing. Gives debuff of stunned for 2s.

These are examples. You would be able to bind them to a hotbar/keyboard. You click the button and the next attack would add that stat/cost/effect to the attack.
You can even make it limited to some weapons over another. Like a Pick and Blade can do a bleed attack. Shovels/Axes/Clubs can do Stunning attacks. All weapons can do Power attack etc.

This game already exists, its called WoW, maybe you'd enjoy playing that instead of turning this game into it?

I disagree massively with this entire concept, I think it would remove the skill from the game and turn it into skill burst combat, that is really really shitty.

You ever play league of legends? Do you know what a burst hero is? Its someone who waits for their cooldowns to refresh, then walks up to someone, unloads all their skills than plays safe again till their skills are back up again. Annie for example is known for this cuz if you stack her skills you get a stun on her next skill, letting you easily combo all your skilled on the stunned person.

I don't want every person in this game to be a burst champion, I think thats horrid and removes any skill aspect from pvp, makes it become purely who can burst skill with higher stats.

I understand why DDT wants this, he would be a god and nobody could stand verse him, I think this is a horrid way to design a game.

I think it should be skill based so that if someone actually fights him they would have a fair chance instead of losing purely cuz of lower stats.

DDT's suggestions are a large step in the wrong direction, his suggestion is what MMO's used to be like a decade or longer ago, why bring us back into the past of gaming that everybody has evolved away from and expects better than?

Its a old and outdated concept to make skill spam number bar for combat.

It would be NEW AND INNOVATIVE if we continued to support the multi-directional twitch combat that everybody who actually plays pvp games loves as a unquie thing in this game that COULD be amazing if properly optimized.

I know of ONE other game that has been able to pull off twitch combat like this properly, kingdom come deliverance, it is by far, one of the best games out there when it comes to combat and xsyon is like a lower graphics version of it.. So it really makes me want to see things skill based, since in kingdom come deliverance, at the VERY START OF THE GAME your town gets raided and burned, your supposed to flee and run cuz they have armor (while you have none) and have way stronger swords than you, stronger stats, everything, its a unfair fight... However, a large majority of good players on their 2nd time around they fight the first guy and due to the skill, they are able to kill him with inferior equipment and stats purely due to out skilling them... I've watched a guy who was "extremely skilled" than take that equipment and slaughter all the guys coming to raid the city trying to work verse the story that says the city should be burned by them when you retreat.... The guy killed dozens of them due to having crazy good skill level.... That is amazing and should be the goal of every pvp based game that aims to be balanced.

No game was ever balanced by letting the guys with highest stats instant kill everybody else, but thats your suggestion, give additional damage in burst to people with already way higher damage than everybody else, its bad suggestion imo.

[MrDDT]

This game already exists, its called WoW, maybe you'd enjoy playing that instead of turning this game into it?

I disagree massively with this entire concept, I think it would remove the skill from the game and turn it into skill burst combat, that is really really shitty.

I understand why DDT wants this, he would be a god and nobody could stand verse him, I think this is a horrid way to design a game.

I think it should be skill based so that if someone actually fights him they would have a fair chance instead of losing purely cuz of lower stats.

DDT's suggestions are a large step in the wrong direction, his suggestion is what MMO's used to be like a decade or longer ago, why bring us back into the past of gaming that everybody has evolved away from and expects better than?

Its a old and outdated concept to make skill spam number bar for combat.

It would be NEW AND INNOVATIVE if we continued to support the multi-directional twitch combat that everybody who actually plays pvp games loves as a unquie thing in this game that COULD be amazing if properly optimized.

I know of ONE other game that has been able to pull off twitch combat like this properly, kingdom come deliverance, it is by far, one of the best games out there when it comes to combat and xsyon is like a lower graphics version of it.. So it really makes me want to see things skill based, since in kingdom come deliverance, at the VERY START OF THE GAME your town gets raided and burned, your supposed to flee and run cuz they have armor (while you have none) and have way stronger swords than you, stronger stats, everything, its a unfair fight... However, a large majority of good players on their 2nd time around they fight the first guy and due to the skill, they are able to kill him with inferior equipment and stats purely due to out skilling them... I've watched a guy who was "extremely skilled" than take that equipment and slaughter all the guys coming to raid the city trying to work verse the story that says the city should be burned by them when you retreat.... The guy killed dozens of them due to having crazy good skill level.... That is amazing and should be the goal of every pvp based game that aims to be balanced.

No game was ever balanced by letting the guys with highest stats instant kill everybody else, but thats your suggestion, give additional damage in burst to people with already way higher damage than everybody else, its bad suggestion imo.

I understand you would disagree. These are my opinions. I do not think you need every system in the game to be "NEW and INNOVATIVE"
Chat systems have been around for 20+ years. You don't need to make them new and innovative. Pick a good chat system and put it in place.

The main thing about Xsyon is the building system, crafting system, and player made questing systems. You don't need every system to be special.
WOW is many parts of a game. WOW has many things this game does not have. WOW has a chat system. Does that mean this game is going to be WOW or Themepark because someone suggests a chat that is more like WOW? No.

Having a hotbar with skills on a cooldown is pretty normal. I think it works well for MMOs.
The system of combat you are talking about "multi-directional twitch combat" has been done before also in MMOs. I've played games like Darkfall.
The problem comes down to PING and CPU of the server. Both of which will be issues on this game. I do not see people playing Xsyon for the twitch based combat. They come here for the creative systems Xsyon has put in place. No need to make it very hard or near impossible for people to do combat. It's already pretty hard Xsyon is wanting to make it easier not harder to learn.

Here we go with "DDT wants to be a GOD" wow, what more do I have to do? I've already deleted my toon, and my whole base. When is it going to end? My suggestions are not for me to become more powerful. I want to see Xsyon be better.

My suggestion is not people insta skill other people, its about having more fun in combat than standing close doing spins around a target and left/right clicking over and over.
I also dont want to have twitch based combat so 1% of the people that play can have fun in combat, and then everyone else either hate combat because its too hard, or have massive ping issues that combat is not fun.

Twitch based combat BTW is not new or innovative. Its been done for a long time. They call them FPS. Or games like Fortnight.


My last post directing at this to you. The rest of my posts will solely be my opinion on what I believe should be.
Can you please stop trying to attack me and focus on the topic.


TLDR
Focus on the topic, stop attacking me