Tribal Upkeep

[Derek]

I believe what the OP really wants (and I agree with) is a mechanism in place to deter very large clans from easily controlling large swaths of land.

Think about it. If there is no downside to owning more tribal land, then it the largest clans can and will take over as much as the game lets them.

There needs to be a downside. It could be in the form of no instant travel so it becomes more difficult to defend all of your holdings the more you spread out. Upkeep would also deter this from happening.

For those worried about an additional timesink - the upkeep could be scaled up nonlinearly depending on how much land the tribe controls.

[mrcalhou]

Derek wrote:

Think about it. If there is no downside to owning more tribal land, then it the largest clans can and will take over as much as the game lets them.

There needs to be a downside. It could be in the form of no instant travel so it becomes more difficult to defend all of your holdings the more you spread out. Upkeep would also deter this from happening.

That's how it works in real life. Yeah, I know it's a game, but it's not an arena-based game. I say let large tribes try to take as much land as they can. As long as there is no instant travel option then it will be much more difficult for them to hold possesion of larger swaths of land. Smaller tribes could band together and try to beat the larger tribes through the principle of divide et impera - divide and conquer. Or through the use of guerilla tactics.

[Derek]

mrcalhou wrote:

That's how it works in real life. Yeah, I know it's a game, but it's not an arena-based game. I say let large tribes try to take as much land as they can. As long as there is no instant travel option then it will be much more difficult for them to hold possesion of larger swaths of land. Smaller tribes could band together and try to beat the larger tribes through the principle of divide et impera - divide and conquer. Or through the use of guerilla tactics.

I agree and that is why I hope there is no fast travel between holdings.

[trenixdecease]

Derek wrote:

I believe what the OP really wants (and I agree with) is a mechanism in place to deter very large clans from easily controlling large swaths of land.

Think about it. If there is no downside to owning more tribal land, then it the largest clans can and will take over as much as the game lets them.

There needs to be a downside. It could be in the form of no instant travel so it becomes more difficult to defend all of your holdings the more you spread out. Upkeep would also deter this from happening.

For those worried about an additional timesink - the upkeep could be scaled up nonlinearly depending on how much land the tribe controls.

If the land is as big as it seems, it shouldn't matter if they take over large amounts of land. Let them formulate a town so players could come and trade with them. The limitation is people, most would like to do their own thing especially with their own friends.

There actually is already a downside for towns. The resources in each area is different then another. That means, smaller tribes will have certain patterns and crafts that you may not have. So those small tribes coming into a town will make a fortune because of their diverse items. The people who already live in the town will have useless items because of how common they are.

I honestly think that joining tribes/towns would just start players out. Eventually, they will want to move on with their learned skills in order to start a new town or tribe. Therefore I don't believe large towns will expand large enough to take over the whole world. So no, upkeep would be a very frustrating and useless time consumer. If I wanted to waste my time, I would have continued playing Wurm Online.

Besides that, I want to have fun and not have to worry about upkeep.

[Derek]

trenixdecease wrote:

There actually is already a downside for towns. The resources in each area is different then another.

This is one of the main reasons why larger tribes would try to take over as much of these areas as possible to control all of the resources.

I'm not a big fan of needless timesinks or tedious play. But, there should be a mechanism which makes it difficult to control large swaths of land without the man power to back it up.

I'll draw reference to Darkfall. There 50-80 man clans that have multiple holdings spread across the world so they have easy access to all the best mob spawns and easy travel via instant port between holdings. One of these clans could hold 3 or 4 cities and easily defend them from raiding forces by instant traveling to whichever city is being attacked, even if that city is completely on the other side of the map.

Another major flaw in Darkfall's system is that only one holding can be sieged at any given window of time. So mutliple smaller clans cannot organize I multi-front assault on their holdings.

[trenixdecease]

Derek wrote:

This is one of the main reasons why larger tribes would try to take over as much of these areas as possible to control all of the resources.

This is considered a monopoly which is a great idea. Also, I'm pretty sure you're unable to control multiple resources being that you could only be in one tribe per given time. To expand a tribe far enough to take large amounts of resources seems impossible.

I didn't really play Darkfall but it seems like some areas had much more benefits than others. I don't believe that's the case with Xsyon. In Xsyon you get the same opportunities as any other place, however each place is diverse in their own way, not necessarily better or worse. Meaning, even a little tribe can have a item that a town would die for. No matter how big it is...

[Kinslayer]

Illmaculate wrote:

prokop15 wrote:

Holy speculation batman.

These guys are out of control.

LOL