i was thinking more along the lines of several penalties for the tribe camping the smaller tribes and griefers. like if you kill someone in x amount of time they become invulnerable for a set amount of time. don't get me wrong here i love pvp and i love the idea of open pvp in games i would just hate to see some 5 man tribe minding their business and keep getting griefed by another tribe just because they can. from what i gather this game is going to be mostly tradeskillers and crafters which i love a good crafting system in game. if they allow for tribes to be camped 24/7 people are going to quit the game ive seen it in most other mmo you cant do anything so you just quit. a lot of really good ideas in this thread keep it going.