Law of unintended concequences

[Vandali]

Adding in that a trash heap has to be depleted before that area can be terraformed wouldn't be a bad idea.

It's a guarantee that this will be abused.

[Silicor]

I'm sure things can and will be better with time. But if your going to let some griefers run you off easily, I suggest not playing at launch. This game is going to be raw and rough for a while.

[bruisie159]

im starting to think people are just going a bit mad now, worrying about extremes. Look, the devs and guides are pretty sensible and helpful here, if someone is harrasing you through use of an exploit or just purposfully trying to force you out of the game for no good reason then im sure you will be able to turn to a guide for help.

Come on people lets keep things in perspective a little, everytime i check these forums these days we seem to be discussing some scare story or another.

[SOFWarrior]

Min-maxers and power-gamers will take advantage of every loophole and exploit possible. That's why games like these need to have the most airtight, well-considered rulesets as possible from the outset.

Honestly, needing guides to interfere all the time is an indicator of a badly constructed set of sandbox rules, in that it infringes on the "freedom" that is a supposed hallmark of such games.

[darg75]

I'm detecting a "people are bad, apart from me" mindset here. Just because it could be done, does it mean that it will? If it is done, why do you think it would be done on a large scale? Would you do it to someone else?

I believe that people are generally good. It's a possibility that there will be a few out there that get kicks out of being annoying - will theyfollow you around Xyson hassling you at every step - I personally doubt it.

I think it's more likely that if (or if you prefer - when) bad behaviour like this occurs it won't be on a scale to ruin the game. If it does get out of hand the player base will deal with it. If they can't and it's impacting the game for a large group of people, the developers will deal with it.

[ifireallymust]

Yesterday, I saw a griefer get dealt with by a Guide in a rather amusing and effective way. So there's a defininte line, and definite action is taken when that line is crossed. I'd report any person or tribe pulling any of the listed garbage and see what happens, if it ever happens at all. Which I hope not, but there are some inventive little puppies out there.

[SOFWarrior]

Yesterday, I saw a griefer get dealt with by a Guide in a rather amusing and effective way. So there's a defininte line, and definite action is taken when that line is crossed. I'd report any person or tribe pulling any of the listed garbage and see what happens, if it ever happens at all. Which I hope not, but there are some inventive little puppies out there.

If the rules allow you to do it, how will everyone know where the "line" is?

If a tribe is evil, and RP'ing it, will a guide be there to contantly interfere with the RP scenario they are trying to play out in the "freedom" of a sandbox game?

[SOFWarrior]

I'm detecting a "people are bad, apart from me" mindset here. Just because it could be done, does it mean that it will? If it is done, why do you think it would be done on a large scale? Would you do it to someone else?

I believe that people are generally good. It's a possibility that there will be a few out there that get kicks out of being annoying - will theyfollow you around Xyson hassling you at every step - I personally doubt it.

I think it's more likely that if (or if you prefer - when) bad behaviour like this occurs it won't be on a scale to ruin the game. If it does get out of hand the player base will deal with it. If they can't and it's impacting the game for a large group of people, the developers will deal with it.

It's probably not a good idea to ignore history. In this case, these types of problems have negatively impacted other similar games, often on a scale that disrupts the enjoyment of a lot of people.

It won't be just the exploits listed in this thread, in that they were just an example. It'll be the totality of exploits, dupes, hacks, etc that will create an overall negative affect that the entire community will feel.

[KeithStone]

I'm detecting a "people are bad, apart from me" mindset here. Just because it could be done, does it mean that it will? If it is done, why do you think it would be done on a large scale? Would you do it to someone else?

I believe that people are generally good. It's a possibility that there will be a few out there that get kicks out of being annoying - will theyfollow you around Xyson hassling you at every step - I personally doubt it.

I think it's more likely that if (or if you prefer - when) bad behaviour like this occurs it won't be on a scale to ruin the game. If it does get out of hand the player base will deal with it. If they can't and it's impacting the game for a large group of people, the developers will deal with it.

it was proven in DF that if there is a loophole everyone wants in on it.

[coca]

I will pay guilds to surround safe zone with totems and "camp them" for being tools.