To the PKers

[ifireallymust]

So you want so many restriction, in a sandbox, that nobody pk's? Terrible idea...and lineage was a horrible game.

terrible...just terrible idea...

Has anyone yet suggested ending non-consensual pvp outside tribal boundaries? If so, I haven't seen any serious push for it. And the only thing I am concerned about is what will happen if safe zones are erased and no other changes are made to the game mechanics and no time or tools available for further preparation by players needing to defend themselves from huge, zerging war tribes.

If you kill me while I'm out of my tribal area, do you think I care? Sorry, I don't. And if a pvper wants to patrol with his crafter buddies so they can wander around the game world in safety, okay. And if pvpers want to defend resources near but not inside their tribal territory, that counts as defending their territory, doesn't it? You'll have more resources if you lock down those just outside your boundaries, and I'm sure most tribes will do just that. You could also look into hiring out as protection for travelling crafter traders if that interests you. All of this adds up to: I get to play my way, pkers get to play their way. Everyone happy, right? But oh, no, you want to attack me right now, as the game stands, inside the one tiny patch of ground where I store my tools and craft. That interferes with my gameplay, and gives you what benefit? None, really, except the ability to say you did it.

I also wish you guys who are attacking the noob starting areas would stop, because it makes us all look stupid.

[fflhktsn]

Flipping a gank on it's head is one of the more enjoyable mmo experiences. Case in point: last night, while exploring the wilds of the Tahoe basin...
Our merry band ported into squaw, and lo we were met by a pair of mighty noob slayers. Well our would be noob slayers were not expecting 5 log ins...so the pair focused on the first login (moi) who fought a valiant but otherwise futile battle against better equipped toons...but alas, all was not lost, for with his dying breath our hero summoned Friends who wrought beautiful vengeance upon the foul pvp L337zors. Their goods were divided amongs the merry band who then set out to...oh ,kill one again as he mistook their departure from the region as a signal to set ambush for future noobs...and then he was rendered nekkid.

it was a beautiful thing.

One thing about that the frothing at the mouth pve crowd misunderstands, is there is not a single type of 'pvp' player. Yes you've got your ganks...you also have your hunters, and your protectors, and your rpr's. The ganks are typically the smallest worry of the bunch, as they (typically) are the least organized, and tend to suffer from add (exceptions of course). Your gank will typically exploit an advantage when there is one, and run to the hills when (s)he senses any degree of parity or risk (otherwise known as mad skillz). Now the majority of your pvp crowd is in search of some type of challenge, whether that is territorial based, elitism (I KILLED ALL 100 of YOU WITH JUST 5 of US!!), pure bad blood (a lot of history with some us), or some combination of...it's about the challenge. Now, if you're in the way of that objective, you might have a problem (ie. don't be cryin if you allied with the wrong side)...otherwise, well there are typically bigger fish to fry.

Now the biggest danger in this environment is not the OMGPVPPLAYER...it is actually the carebear fearmonger pve player. Where, the pvp player, when faced with adversity will typically give it a go (the 'im yer huckleberry moment), the carebear will find every single friend, ally, animal, tree or rock that will help to come protect there pixels. of course the pvp players respond in kind (to both sides..enemy of my enemy all that) and, the zerg is born.

so. Fear not the PK or the PVP enthusiast, for he will not destroy your world...Fear the carebear, because when his pixels are in danger; he brings an end to all things his minions seek to ensure protection for eternity.

I would also like to add to this magnificant post...that its these very same "frothing at the mouth pve'ers" that then take their issues stright into chat and whispers. Letting loose a slurry of foul language and insults..the type of thing they themself figure is reserved striclty for the pvper scumbags.

Most gankers are simply ganking you because they dont know if your a noob or if your a pro...or if ganking you will result in a tibal zerg, wich is always fun even if its 5 to 1 and i go down fast.

This game isnt focused on combat enough to really get those crappy elite "win at all costs and never let yourself lose" type of pvpers....the kind that use hacks and cheats and wont ever fight a battle that they know they cant easily win.

Cant wait to see how these fearful pve'ers react when were actually able to loot them....these are the people that i uaualy wipe their inventory, because they are the only ones who carry all their valuables on them, like idiots.

[ifireallymust]

Cant wait to see how these fearful pve'ers react when were actually able to loot them....these are the people that i uaualy wipe their inventory, because they are the only ones who carry all their valuables on them, like idiots.

You and I wouldn't have any issues at all if you encountered me out and about and killed me. I don't carry what I can't replace and most of the time I won't bother even saying anything to you, unless I decide to fight back, and then a 'good fight' might be appropriate as we go our separate ways.

But since you're pretty much saying that anyone who risks what they can't replace is an idiot, I'd be an idiot not to worry that the location where I can stash my irreplaceable items will no longer be safe, correct?

[Doc]

Meh, more whines from griefers/gankers how they cannot grief/gank. *Yawn*

[Haunt]

Meh, more whines from griefers/gankers how they cannot grief/gank. *Yawn*

And you felt the need to click on the thread and also post in it. Who is the bigger loser?

[Dubanka]

But since you're pretty much saying that anyone who risks what they can't replace is an idiot, I'd be an idiot not to worry that the location where I can stash my irreplaceable items will no longer be safe, correct?

i'm a noob, but i'd be curious as to what's irreplaceable? if your bins are set to 'private' i can't loot them...so its safe in there...so unless you've got it on your person?

*shrug* only pixels. If it were some uber one of kind crafting trinket, i'd wager you could probably buy it back from me

[Doc]

And you felt the need to click on the thread and also post in it. Who is the bigger loser?

The one who actually responds with your kind of response. I lost few minutes of my life to skim through the nonsense, and well, they are gone *cries*

[FabricSoftener]

i'm a noob, but i'd be curious as to what's irreplaceable? if your bins are set to 'private' i can't loot them...so its safe in there...so unless you've got it on your person?

*shrug* only pixels. If it were some uber one of kind crafting trinket, i'd wager you could probably buy it back from me

really that is true. its not like people put in 1000 count of items to craft afk or something. All you would lose is what you are currently crafting and 9times out of 10 you are crafting at your bucket anyway.

I really do not see this safe zone business as a big deal either way to be honest. Although to be frank it has allowed me to get on with my business without others grieving me while at the same time providing our guards with what they want to do too.

[Deacon]

And you felt the need to click on the thread and also post in it. Who is the bigger loser?

you, because you felt the need to reply to it...oh wait...now you have me doing it ACK!!!!!!

[fflhktsn]

You and I wouldn't have any issues at all if you encountered me out and about and killed me. I don't carry what I can't replace and most of the time I won't bother even saying anything to you, unless I decide to fight back, and then a 'good fight' might be appropriate as we go our separate ways.

But since you're pretty much saying that anyone who risks what they can't replace is an idiot, I'd be an idiot not to worry that the location where I can stash my irreplaceable items will no longer be safe, correct?

Well you would be kind of dumb to head out in hard to craft armor, with no intetions of fighting back, or any ability to do so...if your going to be an easy target, the sooner you should learn that you shouldnt take out with you things your not willing to lose.

The same way that i, as a ganker, only really take prizes for those who kill me, with me. If i do go out decked out in gear, its for a reason, and im going for someone specifically.

Im not interested in your PVE gear, tbh, its more testing the water, seeing who around me is a good pvp fight.

Will they make baskets lootable and destoyable without a safezone? Will they add safes and methods of storage that cannot be broken into without some serious effort? Im not sure. However, yes you would be an idiot to store valuable things in an unsafe spot with no defenses to protect it. Its why you lock the doors to your home, despite someone could still break in and steal something. I would have the same risk as you in this aspect. The key is to either have a well hidden spot, good defenses, or some type of storage unit that you couldnt just walk up to and loot....possibly something with a code or pasword to enter...like a real safe.

Im not sure if its bugs, but any old basket on the gound needs permission to access...i saw baskets outside of safezones and i could only look at them and wonder what was inside...im fine with this, i see no need to be empyting out anyones storage...just whats on you.

Now...if your tribe was about to be warred by another tribe...perhaps it would be better to move all valuable to another location, as you should be able to destroy it all during a tribal war.