No risk to crafting, Needs Penalties

[fflhktsn]

I gave you my response, lock time to move totems and drop/join/drop a tribe to a week..your logic to remove safezones because of this has no bearing on the terraforming of the land around them by "sub-tribes" they could and will still do the tactics your complaining about, a lack of safezones would not stop that.

and not once have I insulted or assumed your level, or lack of MMO experience, gaming experience, or level of intellect as your now doing to me..and I refuse to stoop to that level to continue this.

Im off, im not even arguing anymore..now your resorting to tatics of discrediting and insulting by using lines such as "this might be your first mmorpg, but its not my first,". then continuing after trying to debase my experince by proudly stating your own.. unbased insults meant to infer that any reply I may make is based on a small or non-existent experience of MMO gametime and it's vastly inferior to yours, and all responses should be treated as such by all ...

So lets just agree to disagree, since this went from a debate, to what now seems an alpha male, peacock feather strutting contest that i want no part in.

so strut your feathers proudly my friend, your shit flinging has ran me out of the cage with you, its your own private shit covered cage now...enjoy it

lock times for totems? log out, log back in,....i said this like 15 pages ago and you ignored it. of course we disagree, you want a real life/sim game and i want a sandbox.

although i guess this all is futile, as you cant pull anyone into a game that isnt playable, and when the full game is years away...

[MrKrueak]

you want a real life/sim game and i want a sandbox.

ok i lied, had to respond to this, what you or he want does not matter at all...... all that matters is what Xsyon wants. we pay to play his game not yours or anyone elses.

[dxwarlock]

allow the community to decide what is acceptable and what isnt, like a true sandbox should be.

well crawled back into the feces covered cage to respond to this...
wait a sandbox? where people can play how they see fit? isnt that the opposite of your declaration of "everyone should have the same risk/reward and negative that my playstyle does..because I disagree"
how can you both demand a sandbox where all playstyles and risk/vs reward is on a player by player basis based on the "sandbox" they want to play in, when you also want everyone to have the same gameplay?

[fflhktsn]

ok i lied, had to respond to this, what you or he want does not matter at all...... all that matters is what Xsyon wants. we pay to play his game not yours or anyone elses.

no my little friend, the customer is right...always...and there is a HUGE crowd waiting for such a game....huge


....FORUM FATALITY....

[FabricSoftener]

no my little friend, the customer is right...always...and there is a HUGE crowd waiting for such a game....huge


....FORUM FATALITY....

no there isnt.

they are busy playing those other games

[fflhktsn]

no there isnt.

they are busy playing those other games

yes but are bored with them, and they all are missing the pve that this game has...which is why its important to have a blance of the two...trust me people are watching this game and there is a huge crowd that wants a true sandbox with both pve like this game offers and the pvp with this game is close to offering. big numbers there

[dxwarlock]

no there isnt.

they are busy playing those other games

wait wait, no they arent, because what they wanted they got..then realized they didnt like what they got, and went to the next one..demanded what they wanted, realized it still sucked, went to the final one a few months ago..demanded changes, got them and went "damnit, we wanted change, got it..and STILL it doesnt work...onto the next game boys!"

[dxwarlock]

yes but are bored with them, and they all are missing the pve that this game has...which is why its important to have a blance of the two...trust me people are watching this game and there is a huge crowd that wants a true sandbox with both pve like this game offers and the pvp with this game is close to offering. big numbers there

but that "balance" of PvP and PvE is a holy grail, a imperfect perfection that can never happen.
its like saying there is a huge group waiting to see the perfect balance between Israel and Palestine..just someone needs to make it.

its 2 groups that dont mix, and never will..you can have the best aspects of the game for both..but its not the aspects or lack of in the game itself that runs one side off or the other..its the players of the otherside.

remove the player aspect of it, and you can have that balance...but then you have no one playing to disrupt it.
no one side is to blame more than the other...

but jsut as an example..look at the arguments this thread caused just TALKING about it being in game.
you suspect there is some magic mix that when it's actually ingame both side will go "this is great!"

if we cant agree on just ideas and theories of how it should work, what makes you think anyone can create one where we wouldnt think the same thing?

name one MMO where there isnt a PvP vs PvE raging debate that went from launch to current days..and a middleground was found, and the debate/elements added to try to please either side didnt run people off from the other...

[fflhktsn]

wait wait, no they arent, because what they wanted they got..then realized they didnt like what they got, and went to the next one..demanded what they wanted, realized it still sucked, went to the final one a few months ago..demanded changes, got them and went "damnit, we wanted change, got it..and STILL it doesnt work...onto the next game boys!"

i think the point has flown clear over your head there...

its not that the community decides the actual structure and mechanisms, its that the world is self regulated without rules, without saftey. Xsyon could (if it was launch ready and full) easily fufull this, since the sandbox has more sand than any others out there...much more...this is what people want. However its not a sandbox with death penalties for one faction and not the other, its not a sandbox if you can opt out of pvp. the players themselves are suppose to create their own safe zones, through the tools given to them in game, mainly alliances, protectors, defensive structures ect...not by pappa jookie and his magical code. Hes done great laying one of the biggest sandboxes and filling it with sand...now lets take the life guards out of the sandbox and let people play as they want.

this is why i said you dont understand what a true sandbox is. i still dont think youll get it because it doesnt fit your argument,.

[MrKrueak]

no my little friend, the customer is right...always...and there is a HUGE crowd waiting for such a game....huge


....FORUM FATALITY....

if there was a huge crowd why aren't they playing the other failed sandbox ffa mmos unless you mean huge as in a thousand or so.....and the community\customer is never right, that is the problem with most developers they ruin there own game by trying to change their original vision of what it's supposed to be. if you change your vision towards the end of the development when most qq'ers like you show up than you screw the customer that was there long before helping with their original vision.

most mistake that makes a mmo fail is right before launch or just after by implementing a feature that was not originally in their vision. Xyson has already said that the PVP aspect of this game was not going to be up to par with other features until after prelude, his vision is for the prelude to be all about building up the world and once tribal warfare opens up the pvp aspect will have been fleshed out including combat mechanics etc. this was not going to happen until the transition from prelude to whatever he calls the next phase.