why dont we start with great skills stats?

[shukes]

Ok why dont we all start as expert engineers etc? i might have been a master woodcrafter before the apocolypse, so why can't i choose to start as master in one of the skills?

It's almost like i have forgot what skills i used to have before the event!
I know we start of with a basic knowledge, but thats only the type of skills that human being would just already know...you know the basic survival skills!

[Phayz]

from the lore and story on the main website, most knowledge has been forgotten

You know nothing. You’ve forgotten the past and have yet to learn the future. You are a lost soul in a strange barren world with little more than the shirt on your back.

The way it reads was the war was long ago, and we were children, our forefathers may have retained the knowledge and skills but we were merely waifs, and scavenged to survive, now we must learn to build, and grow

[shukes]

from the lore and story on the main website, most knowledge has been forgotten

You know nothing. You’ve forgotten the past and have yet to learn the future. You are a lost soul in a strange barren world with little more than the shirt on your back.

I apologise for baiting here...but that was the answer i was waiting for.

So really at release every person who plays the game should be alone! they cant have a selective memory can they? you know the ones that forget all thier skills etc, but somehow seem to remember that they have nine other members of a tribe with them and also remember where thier home town is, so have a divine right to it.

Sorry for starting yet another tribe v homesteader thread up lol, just wanted to know what people thought of the argument when they considered the lore of the game.

To me the lore of the game is important and not just an afterthought. The lore of the game is the origonal vision of the game.

[shukes]

Just so we dont get confused by the way....I am a tribal member that still thinks homesteaders should start the same time as all of us and with the ability to place a totem too.
Phayz...i am a member of the same tribe

[Phayz]

argg.. bait and switch.

As for your alone theory, what about the possibility of the post war kids who make friends on the junk pile while scavenging for food, and deciding to join together for safety and comfort




And I also agree with the fact everyone should start at the same time

[Aethaeryn]

Well. . it is a game. In every other game people join guilds etc. without meeting in game by chance first. I actually had planned to play that way though. . start out solo. . see who is around and join up with whoever I liked most. That is what I have done in most games unless I transfered with a guild.

For guilds that transfered over there is no reason to think that they could not have met "before" the day that is represented by "launch". Now I would have loved it if there was no beta and everyone started the game somewhere randomly and there was no IM programs or e-mail or phones so that friends could not co-ordinate. . then they would have to meet the folks around them and decide how to get along even if they didn't like them ala Survivor. . . we could ask everyone to do that on the honour system and see what happens. Even when UO launched I was already in a guild from beta. . although they are so gross now

Now back to your intention. . there are a lot of threads on this already. You apologize for baiting yet continue and apologize for creating "yet another" thread like this.

Oh wait your thread was about skills and stats. Not cool but I bit.

[shukes]

Well. . it is a game. In every other game people join guilds etc. without meeting in game by chance first. I actually had planned to play that way though. . start out solo. . see who is around and join up with whoever I liked most. That is what I have done in most games unless I transfered with a guild.

For guilds that transfered over there is no reason to think that they could not have met "before" the day that is represented by "launch". Now I would have loved it if there was no beta and everyone started the game somewhere randomly and there was no IM programs or e-mail or phones so that friends could not co-ordinate. . then they would have to meet the folks around them and decide how to get along even if they didn't like them ala Survivor. . . we could ask everyone to do that on the honour system and see what happens. Even when UO launched I was already in a guild from beta. . although they are so gross now

Now back to your intention. . there are a lot of threads on this already. You apologize for baiting yet continue and apologize for creating "yet another" thread like this.

Oh wait your thread was about skills and stats. Not cool but I bit.

haha yes i apologised due to the touchy nature of the subject but wanted to hear a different side to the same argument neverless. Thank you for adding a decent twist to my argument.

Yes your right, the launch date does not necessarily mean the actual day after. And your right people could have formed these tribes before they set out to find thier own land. Maybe its me taking the post war a little bit too literal in my thinking that we are all alone to start!

[Aethaeryn]

Well I do think if it was possible to have a game launch were there were no online resources or maps. . no way to communicate outside of the game. . people would get that feeling back we all seem to be looking for. It is too bad.

[mindtrigger]

I apologise for baiting here...but that was the answer i was waiting for.

So really at release every person who plays the game should be alone! they cant have a selective memory can they? you know the ones that forget all thier skills etc, but somehow seem to remember that they have nine other members of a tribe with them and also remember where thier home town is, so have a divine right to it.

Sorry for starting yet another tribe v homesteader thread up lol, just wanted to know what people thought of the argument when they considered the lore of the game.

To me the lore of the game is important and not just an afterthought. The lore of the game is the origonal vision of the game.

Think of it this way:

You are a teen or fairly young adult. Your parents, or whoever raised you simply "survived" and kept your ass alive. They were not concerned with rebuilding society, they were concerned exclusively with food, shelter and protection. Most skills from the old world were no longer relevant in this situation, and so they were not practiced or passed on to you. Even if they had some relevant skills, there were usually no tools and very few resources available to facilitate their use.

Small groups of people began banding together and forming Tribes, for strength lies in numbers. Tribes happened across other Tribes, some friendly, some not and it has become necessary for people to establish some sort of order to keep the criminal tribes, the ones who are willing to take away your basic human rights to serve their own purpose, in check.

Having established some semblance of tenuous order, at least on their Tribal lands, it is now time for your generation to rebuild the human race. You know how to survive through hunting and foraging, but now you are going beyond survival and seeking advancement and evolution. Leaders and laws of the land will emerge, as well as those who will ignore both. Society will slowly begin rebuilding, and it will feel a lot like the wild west for decades to come. We are all starting over. Let’s hope we do a better job this time.

[mindtrigger]

Having made the above post, I'll ask you to think about this as well. In your own neighborhood, how many people do you think you could instantly transport into the wilderness, and they would survive? How many people who live on your street have skills that transfer into a survival and bushcraft scenario? In modern Western society, you probably mostly have people who work in offices or other non-industrial jobs. You will have a construction worker or two, maybe someone who can plant a garden, perhaps an auto mechanic or hobbyist, and maybe even an authority figure like a police officer.

Point being, most of the skills we use here in the west are useless in the woods. The percentage of people who would have transferable skills, along with the will to survive in such a scenario would be tiny at best. If you happen to be one of those people lucky enough to survive and you banded together with a group, you would have a seriously random group of people who's most likely reason for survival was not their skill set, but their mindset. Psychology is king in survival situations.