Unfortunately it never seems to be clear what you're talking about yinn. Your posts often make little to no sense. However the alliance crunch is talking about is Valhalla of which Vengeance was meant to be the public face due to the rest of the servers hatred for ehatu and reincarnation. I believe dragon heed once posted claiming niff as ours and stating he was the leader. So yes vengeance was in fact part of the leadership...you really should talk to someone before you post about things so you get some details right.

Good day.