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    Lightbulb Xyson business model

    Xyson game developers, your business model is disgusting.Subscription?That's funny.I only know of one game that successfully pulled that off, WoW.All the rest fail.A one-time fee with no limitations is the ideal business model WE, as gamers, love.Please take this into account, as your business model now is making you lose players.Only a handful will actually pay a subscription.

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    odd, i thought we had a choice of paying a subscription or paying for time in advance. Has it changed? Or have i misread the whole thing?

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    So how exactly to you propose they make money? Cash shops don't work in these kind of games for a start! I have played many indie sandbox MMO's, all of which ask for a sub or have freemium options where all your skills are capped so you pay a sub anyway. There is a niche market of people who enjoy sandbox games and are willing to pay money to play them. The sub price was recently reduced and for the amount of time most of us sink into the game it seems good value. For the price of a large pizza and a beer you get access to a game for a month... seems fine to me. I do think they should drop the box price though or at least reduce it as this seems to be a barrier for entry for many players i have seen. What does everyone else think?

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    I do think the box price should be drop as well for entry players the subing part does drive away some players it has driven off many I know. I would like to see a cash shop for stat respects since I messed up mine when I just started and didn't know anything now I'm pretty much screwed for the rest of the game and maybe some name changes as well but I would hate to see the cash shop allow players to just buy everything to be the best. That's just me though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revan View Post
    Xyson game developers, your business model is disgusting.Subscription?That's funny.I only know of one game that successfully pulled that off, WoW.All the rest fail.A one-time fee with no limitations is the ideal business model WE, as gamers, love.Please take this into account, as your business model now is making you lose players.Only a handful will actually pay a subscription.
    I would say that the current payment system is very normal. Free to play with limits, pay to play for the goodies.
    One game that comes to mind is Star Wars TOR. Has the same system. As Willowhawk said there are many games out there doing this.

    Quote Originally Posted by darkskil View Post
    I do think the box price should be drop as well for entry players the subing part does drive away some players it has driven off many I know. I would like to see a cash shop for stat respects since I messed up mine when I just started and didn't know anything now I'm pretty much screwed for the rest of the game and maybe some name changes as well but I would hate to see the cash shop allow players to just buy everything to be the best. That's just me though
    You get 4 stat resets, if you already used them, you can manually change any stats you want over time. I think a cash shop thing would do almost nothing for this game and its not really meant for that type of stuff. A cash shop would take longer to code than it would give in $ back. I would rather have them coding real features like ranged combat, contested hotzones, cooking, taming etc. Than working on a cash shop coding. Those things I listed would keep and bring way more people than a cash shop option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revan View Post
    Xyson game developers, your business model is disgusting.Subscription?That's funny.I only know of one game that successfully pulled that off, WoW.All the rest fail.A one-time fee with no limitations is the ideal business model WE, as gamers, love.Please take this into account, as your business model now is making you lose players.Only a handful will actually pay a subscription.
    Pay to play games; LOTR, Vanguard, DAOC, Final Fantasy, Warhammer, Ultima Online, EverQuest, Anarchy Online, DC Universe, WOW, Asheron's Call, PlanetSide, Wurm all $11.95 to $14.95

    Xsyon = $9.95

    I sense a young person with an entitlement syndrome. NOTHING is free EVER. Why would any business invest years of time and tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars to give away their service for free? Item malls aren't Free! In the long run you pay more for games with item malls than with subscription based games or you are limited to the "Free" Version of the game (no shiny stuff). People are easily duped into believing they are getting a better deal, but to get everything out of the game that you would get with a subscription you end up paying twice as much or more. I don't play games with item malls and never will.

    Bottom line is if you like the game don't you think it's fair you should pay for services rendered?
    Last edited by Willowhawk; 06-19-2013 at 09:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willowhawk View Post
    Pay to play games; LOTR, Vanguard, DAOC, Final Fantasy, Warhammer, Ultima Online, EverQuest, Anarchy Online, DC Universe, WOW, Asheron's Call, PlanetSide, Wurm all $11.95 to $14.95

    Xsyon = $9.95

    I sense a young person with an entitlement syndrome. NOTHING is free EVER. Why would any business invest years of time and tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars to give away their service for free? Item malls aren't Free! In the long run you pay more for games with item malls than with subscription based games or you are limited to the "Free" Version of the game (no shiny stuff). People are easily duped into believing they are getting a better deal, but to get everything out of the game that you would get with a subscription you end up paying twice as much or more. I don't play games with item malls and never will.

    Bottom line is if you like the game don't you think it's fair you should pay for services rendered?
    LOTRO (free to play), Vanguard ( free to play), DAOC (one server game now), Final Fantasy 14 (going free to play soon), Warhammer (down to 2 servers, also tier 1 free to play), Ultima Online (free to play now), Everquest (free to play), Anarchy online (free to play), DC universe (free to play), WOW ( free to play 1-20), Asherons call (is down to a select few servers but this game is an exception of one of the first few MMOs ever), Planetside 2 (free to play), Wurm ONLINe (free to play).

    bottom line. if they made the purchase of the game like $10 and made the monthly at $5 I know i would consider playing this unfinished game. I know a lot of poeple who would of done it. But $10 a month on an unfinished game isnt worht it on it a dead world. I mean its dead. really dead. combat is not really good.. the building will be fun for awhile but then what? the game isnt finished. And if they want to make money its better to make $5 then 0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by safgril View Post
    LOTRO (free to play), Vanguard ( free to play), DAOC (one server game now), Final Fantasy 14 (going free to play soon), Warhammer (down to 2 servers, also tier 1 free to play), Ultima Online (free to play now), Everquest (free to play), Anarchy online (free to play), DC universe (free to play), WOW ( free to play 1-20), Asherons call (is down to a select few servers but this game is an exception of one of the first few MMOs ever), Planetside 2 (free to play), Wurm ONLINe (free to play).
    LOTR, WOW, Vanguard, UO etc etc All have item malls or "Free play with restriction". As I said, Xsyon already has FREE to play with restrictions, and Wurm just increased their subscription fee, none of those are truly free.

    You want another "Pay to Win" Game with item malls? No thanks. $9.95 is the price of a lunch or a movie or 1/10 of most people cell phone bill. Sack a lunch one day and play Xsyon for a whole month. Pretty good deal if you ask me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by safgril View Post
    LOTRO (free to play), Vanguard ( free to play), DAOC (one server game now), Final Fantasy 14 (going free to play soon), Warhammer (down to 2 servers, also tier 1 free to play), Ultima Online (free to play now), Everquest (free to play), Anarchy online (free to play), DC universe (free to play), WOW ( free to play 1-20), Asherons call (is down to a select few servers but this game is an exception of one of the first few MMOs ever), Planetside 2 (free to play), Wurm ONLINe (free to play).

    bottom line. if they made the purchase of the game like $10 and made the monthly at $5 I know i would consider playing this unfinished game. I know a lot of poeple who would of done it. But $10 a month on an unfinished game isnt worht it on it a dead world. I mean its dead. really dead. combat is not really good.. the building will be fun for awhile but then what? the game isnt finished. And if they want to make money its better to make $5 then 0.
    Bottom line, Better to make 10$ than 5$ or 0$.

    You just listed all those "Free to Play" that have the same restrictions as Xsyon. Wurm Online = Free to play with capped stats/skills at 20, Max is 100. Xsyon, Free to play with capped skills at 30, max is 100.
    This is very very clearly the same model. Not sure what you are talking about. I can break down the others but pretty much the same deal for all of them. As others and Willowhawk just said. ALL those games that are "Free to play" have restrictions that is the same or much like Xsyon's.

    People keep talking about the price, when it has little to nothing to do with it. Its about retention. The % of people that buy and play Xsyon then quit is extremely high, they are quitting for a reason or for many reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revan View Post
    Xyson game developers, your business model is disgusting.Subscription?That's funny.I only know of one game that successfully pulled that off, WoW.All the rest fail.A one-time fee with no limitations is the ideal business model WE, as gamers, love.Please take this into account, as your business model now is making you lose players.Only a handful will actually pay a subscription.
    To claim the model itself is disgusting is to take it a bit far. It is true that most games released today sooner, rather than later, changes model from a subscription based model to a free to play model. That doesnt make the model itself disgusting.

    Many games offer free to play options, like Vanguard, Everquest2, Lotr and so on. But once you start playing them you soon upgrade your F2P account into a premium/gold/silver/whatever because thats where the perks are for the game.

    There is one model I would call disgusting which is used by Atlantica Online (Nexon). Totally free game with an Item Shop. Contrary to many other games this shop sell items that really affect your progress/experience/stats. Not by selling the item straight off to you, oh no, they sell you a chance to acquire the item. I got friends who spend 100-300 dollars on this game - every month. That is pretty disgusting if you ask me.

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