Needed Tweak

[MrDDT]

This is planned come release with the fact that ANYONE can teach you basic skills to get you started. Plus tools and other things will be much easier to get once people are playing the game.

[TheHatter]

Skills aren't the problem. The problem is, without someone else you can't do anything. You can make this unless you have that, but you can't make that unless you have something else. A new player should be able to get started, without absolutely needing another player to give him things. The real problem here, is the Saw. I scavenged for hours, without finding anything. I couldn't do anything that was fun, and I couldn't make anything useful. My skills were terrible, which is understandable, but what's not understandable is that it wasn't fun. It's a game, it should be fun from the minute you log in. I am into things like this, everything else so far has been kosher. Ever since I was given the new tools, I've been having fun.

Edit:
I tried starting off as Woodcrafter, I think, but it was the same sort of problem.

Here's the problem.
You have tools: A, B, and C.

You have A, but you need B. You can't make B w/o C. But you can't make C w/o B.
Which is why I eventually opted for the Toolcrafter. Then I think the problem was that I needed a fairly rare part, with a very low Scavenging skill. (I did pick Scavenging as one of my starting Skills)

[Tybalt]

The Game is designed to require a social approach. The new settings that allow you to do everything is new and I am not sure if it will remain this way at launch. But you are supposed to have to rely on others to further your crafting. The way things are now, toolcrafting would be the way to go as far as solo play. I would take Toolcraft, scavenging, and Logging. These skills will give you the basics needed to get started. It will take a very long time to get all the tools and items needed playing by yourself. Or you can join up with a tribe and have them all within a very short time.

[joexxxz]

This game is designed so everyone will depend on each other. At first,..

[Xx1327]

this game isn't released, in other words still getting down basic game play, so your whines of quitting out of frustrations will fall on mostly deaf ears.

as you've obviously discovered there is a whole community online that you have access to. So do some research and ask around if you feel things are too hard.

My advice: make suggestions of what you would like to see added to the game, find a tribe you're interested in or make one, and test the crap out of the game

[TheHatter]

this game isn't released, in other words still getting down basic game play, so your whines of quitting out of frustrations will fall on mostly deaf ears.

as you've obviously discovered there is a whole community online that you have access to. So do some research and ask around if you feel things are too hard.

My advice: make suggestions of what you would like to see added to the game, find a tribe you're interested in or make one, and test the crap out of the game

Which is exactly why I made this thread. Calling it a whine, is not necessarily fair. It's completely broken for new players, without the help of someone who's been playing for awhile. The purpose of a beta, is to help better the game. To have something completely broken as it is, is not fair to new players either. Personally, I don't go around asking for help and free items. As it stands, you have to basically beg.

I understand that it is designed for player cooperation and I understand that before a recent patch, it was even harder. However, it's still impossible for a new player to make any headway w/o the help of others. Given that I never saw anyone in the entire time I played, doesn't help a whole lot either. I was just lucky that I found a nice player within earshot of me at the time.

You speak of testing, which is what I did. As I understand it, I may be one of the first players to come in since the recent changes in the starting characters. But you called my post a whine earlier in your post, which it is not. It is feedback, there is a difference.

[Deacon]

I've actually been playing by myself for quite some time now (guild wise). I wouldnt say you need to beg....but you will need to interact with people. I did some trades for tools and needed supplies, as well as did some labour for them. And that was before everyone got all the skills.

I hope they eliminate everyone getting every skill....because we'll start seeing the one man powercrafting guilds with no interaction at all, except maybe some battles. And even battles will be questionable...as one man powercrafters, usually log off when danger is near. I'm not sure how softcaps will deter the individual powercrafter.

I was gonna suggest that players even only start with one style of pattern, and be required to learn new patterns from other people, or found patterns...but I knew that would raise a mighty stink about the forums, so didnt. But if I keep seeing people trying to make the game simple...I may just do it anyway.

[Xx1327]

Alas, I never did. I almost came to the point where I was about to quit and give up on the game forever. If it wasn't for a very friendly player (Dakota) who happened to be close by when my frustration finally hit Local Chat, I wouldn't be here right now. The game would be uninstalled and I would never return.

this is what i meant when i said "whine"

Which is exactly why I made this thread. Calling it a whine, is not necessarily fair. It's completely broken for new players, without the help of someone who's been playing for awhile. The purpose of a beta, is to help better the game. To have something completely broken as it is, is not fair to new players either. Personally, I don't go around asking for help and free items. As it stands, you have to basically beg.

I understand that it is designed for player cooperation and I understand that before a recent patch, it was even harder. However, it's still impossible for a new player to make any headway w/o the help of others. Given that I never saw anyone in the entire time I played, doesn't help a whole lot either. I was just lucky that I found a nice player within earshot of me at the time.

You speak of testing, which is what I did. As I understand it, I may be one of the first players to come in since the recent changes in the starting characters. But you called my post a whine earlier in your post, which it is not. It is feedback, there is a difference.

yes there are plans on fixing the difficulties faced by solo players so really its just waiting to test that out, just make suggestions to things that aren't going to be released or have been made before, also look for things you could a consider bug. it is pretty bare at the moment of players and i think much more animals(NPCs) can fix this, which is planned.

be sure to check out the FAQ in the "developer zone" and read through the updates